Vortex messed up my load order after crash

[WhitesnakeWASP91]

I'm having a bit of a problem here:
I was playing Fallout 4 and I had to leave my PC for a while. I left Fallout 4 running. When I returned to it I discovered that Fallout 4 had minimized itself and that there where 2 new Vortex notification stating that Vortex restarted itself after crashing. Fallout 4 was not responding. So I used the task manager to close it. I loaded it up again and I noticed stuttering on the main menu and severe stuttering during the loading screens before Fallout would CTD. I tried several saves to test of a corrupt save was the issue. But the CTD happened with every save. I restarted my PC to see if that would fix the problem. And it did in a way. Fallout 4 will load the saves now but there is very severe stuttering that makes the game unplayable.

 

Upon further inspection I noticed that Vortex has completely messed up my mod group setup and created two groups that weren't there before ("User Interface" and "NPC & Faction Overhauls"), removed my plug-ins from the groups they were assigned to and thereby messed up my load order.

 

I had to redo the entire set-up. Which means I used the "Save Game Plugins" function for my last save and reassign all the plugins to their groups. After I did that I get the "Failed to load master-/userlist" error because according to Vortex there is more than 1 entry for a specific plug-in. I check the userlist and see that there is one entry where the plug-in is assigned to a specific group and one where it is assigned to the default group. I close Vortex, manually edit the userlist and re-open Vortex only to get the same error for another plug-in. So now, because Vortex can apparently only show 1 duplicate userlist entry at the time I keep opening and closing Vortex to show me which entry to delete manually because also apparently can't do that itself.

 

Could someone please tell me what the hell is going on? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

 

Edit: I'm using the current version (0.17.7) of Vortex. The game ran just fine before Vortex crashed. I haven't installed any new mods prior to the crash.

[HadToRegister]

I'm having a bit of a problem here:

I was playing Fallout 4 and I had to leave my PC for a while. I left Fallout 4 running. When I returned to it I discovered that Fallout 4 had minimized itself and that there where 2 new Vortex notification stating that Vortex restarted itself after crashing. Fallout 4 was not responding. So I used the task manager to close it. I loaded it up again and I noticed stuttering on the main menu and severe stuttering during the loading screens before Fallout would CTD. I tried several saves to test of a corrupt save was the issue. But the CTD happened with every save. I restarted my PC to see if that would fix the problem. And it did in a way. Fallout 4 will load the saves now but there is very severe stuttering that makes the game unplayable.

 

Upon further inspection I noticed that Vortex has completely messed up my mod group setup and created two groups that weren't there before ("User Interface" and "NPC & Faction Overhauls"), removed my plug-ins from the groups they were assigned to and thereby messed up my load order.

 

I had to redo the entire set-up. Which means I used the "Save Game Plugins" function for my last save and reassign all the plugins to their groups. After I did that I get the "Failed to load master-/userlist" error because according to Vortex there is more than 1 entry for a specific plug-in. I check the userlist and see that there is one entry where the plug-in is assigned to a specific group and one where it is assigned to the default group. I close Vortex, manually edit the userlist and re-open Vortex only to get the same error for another plug-in. So now, because Vortex can apparently only show 1 duplicate userlist entry at the time I keep opening and closing Vortex to show me which entry to delete manually because also apparently can't do that itself.

 

Could someone please tell me what the hell is going on? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

 

 

For one, you don't NEED to assign every plugin to a group.

I have 225 Mods in SKyrim SE and I only have 6 plugins assigned to a group because they need to go to the bottom of the load order.

 

Let Vortex sort your load order, instead of assigning all of your plugins to a group, if you're doing that, you're over managing your plugins when you shouldn't be.

Vortex works differently from NMM, and NMM makes micromanaging your plugins a hard habit to break, but you need to leave it behind.

[WhitesnakeWASP91]

I can't let Vortex sort them because every time I try that I get the "failed to load master-/userlist" error.

[WhitesnakeWASP91]

So I finally got it fixed. I kept on removing duplicate userlist.yaml entries until I got no notifications anymore and every plug-in was assigned to the group I had originally assigned it to. Then I close Vortex and open it again and it unassigned half my plug-ins again. Why does that keep happening?

 

Edit: Seems like the problem resolved itself. I was able to close and open Vortex several times without getting any userlist-error notifications and without my plug-ins being unassigned from their groups.

 

Edit 2: I fixed my load order. The game is still stuttering a lot on the main menu and becomes unplayable when a save is loaded.

[Guest deleted34304850]

this sounds to me like you've basically messed everything up inside of vortex, which, cannot be blamed on vortex itself.

without knowing more about the mods you've loaded, the order they're in, rules you'll have created to give yourself a bespoke load order, there's not much else anyone can do to help you.

[WhitesnakeWASP91]

The problem is resolved. The reason for the stuttering was my graphics card that went haywire. Vortex works just fine now.

[Guest deleted34304850]

oh man, i know that feeling. well congratulations on resolving it and kudos to you for coming back and giving the solution. that is truly appreciated.

[WhitesnakeWASP91]

I think the original problem with by load order being messed up was that 3 mod groups were added with the last Vortex update. "NPC & Faction Overhauls", "User Interface" & "Items" that were all connected by rules. But I already had created a custom group called "Items" before the update. I think that caused some kind of conflict that messed up my load order. But after manually fixing the group set-up everything works just fine. The stuttering was purely due to my graphics card.

[HadToRegister]

I think the original problem with by load order being messed up was that 3 mod groups were added with the last Vortex update. "NPC & Faction Overhauls", "User Interface" & "Items" that were all connected by rules. But I already had created a custom group called "Items" before the update. I think that caused some kind of conflict that messed up my load order. But after manually fixing the group set-up everything works just fine. The stuttering was purely due to my graphics card.

 

 

Groups WILL mess up your load order if you go about creating your own and assigning ALL of your plugins to them.

 

Because Groups are another way to put plugins in your load order in the space you want, like sorting.

 

For instance, in Fallout 4, the plugin "Scrap Everything" MUST go at the bottom of the load order, so I assigned it to the group "Dynamic Patches", because I know that group places mods at the bottom.

 

Just click on "Manage Groups" to see how your homemade groups are interfering with the built in groups.

[WhitesnakeWASP91]

 

I think the original problem with by load order being messed up was that 3 mod groups were added with the last Vortex update. "NPC & Faction Overhauls", "User Interface" & "Items" that were all connected by rules. But I already had created a custom group called "Items" before the update. I think that caused some kind of conflict that messed up my load order. But after manually fixing the group set-up everything works just fine. The stuttering was purely due to my graphics card.

 

 

Groups WILL mess up your load order if you go about creating your own and assigning ALL of your plugins to them.

 

Because Groups are another way to put plugins in your load order in the space you want, like sorting.

 

For instance, in Fallout 4, the plugin "Scrap Everything" MUST go at the bottom of the load order, so I assigned it to the group "Dynamic Patches", because I know that group places mods at the bottom.

 

Just click on "Manage Groups" to see how your homemade groups are interfering with the built in groups.

 

I know how that all works. That is the method I used to set up my load order. As described in the "Managing your load order" entry in the knowledge base.

 

My problem was this cluster of groups that appeared out of nowhere as shown in the screenshot in this post: https://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/7090666-using-vortex-plugin-groups-and-load-order-rules/page-2&do=findComment&comment=68302536

 

They weren't there before and I didn't add them. My guess is they were added with the latest Vortex update. Problem was that I already had a custom group named "Items". It looks like Vortex deleted my costum "Items" group when they added the new group which messed up my groups set-up. Some of the paths connecting the groups were gone and some plugins were suddenly not assigned to a group anymore. But that problem is solved now as well.