Followers that only respond with "..."

[Jyotai]

I've got a follower in my current game than when interacted with only responds with "..." and no dialogue opens up.

 

This has happened to me in past, and I had assumed it was a bug with older follower mods, but now it's happened again and I'm on completely different mods.

 

In the past I have only found 2 fixes for it:

 

1. Go all the way back to a save before it happened and dismiss that follower - so I at least have an NPC in the world somewhere that I can talk to... but that follower is never going to be viable as it will eventually occur again.

 

2. Go into creation kit and edit that follower and change it's ID, such that it's actually a wholly different NPC in my save files - as this issue can carry over even into completely new games, it seems once I have found a follower that does this, that follower will do again even in future games.

 

 

There has got to be a better way.

 

Things I have tried and failed with:

 

- using console to resetai

- using console to disable the follower and to place a new copy of that NPC next to me.

- killing and resurrecting the follower - either with console commands or combat.

- switching follower mods

- switching follower mods and then beginning a new game from the start.

 

Has anyone ever seen this, and found a way past it?

 

 

[Deleted58783396User]

are you using custom followers with follower management mods by any chance (or just follower management mods) seems like an issue that would be related to this if applicable.

 

if not can you list your load order, so we can see if their is a potential issue.

 

otherwise it might script issues.

 

Note: Follower management mods, are not just limited to Amazing Follower tweaks, Extensible follower framework etc etc, it also includes My home is your home, and basically any mod that would directly interact with followers.

 

other mods that would interact directly to followers would be Flower Girls, and literally any mod that can change or add dialogue to followers. all of these mods would be potentional culprits. as this is a dialogue related issue, this could very well be caused by any mod i mentioned. or even just script related problems.

[Jyotai]

Somewhat yes.

 

This issue has followed me through: AFT, EFF, and now Nethwork's Follower thingy.

- That the issue has re-appeared over and over has yes, made me suspect it's caused by a script issue in some other mod that perhaps has been consistent.

 

I do have Flower Girls, RDO, and some others like that. I've not read of any of the users of those mods having this issue. Perhaps I have a conflict unique to my particular mix of mods.

 

Presently on SKSE 2.0.12 and the previous version of SkyrimSE, and haven't updated mods since March 13th. Load order something like:

 

 

 

*Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
*Ecotone Dual Sheath.esl
*Alpine Forest of Whiterun Valley.esp
*ApachiiHair.esm
*ApachiiHairFemales.esm
*CreatureFramework.esm
*FISS.esp
*FlowerGirls SE.esm
*Heels Sound.esm
*Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
*SexLab.esm
*SexLabAroused.esm
*ZaZAnimationPack.esm
*TravellersOfSkyrim.esm
*SkyUI_SE.esp
*3DNPC.esp
*Qw_3DNPC_USSEP Patch.esp
*Populated Lands Roads Paths Legendary.esp
*Populated Forts Towers Places Legendary.esp
*Cutting Room Floor.esp
*SOTFull.esp
*Immersive Wenches.esp
*SINful CBPC MCM.esp
*Ecotone Dual Sheath Patch.esp
*3PCOFull.esp
*RaceMenu.esp
*RaceMenuPlugin.esp
*Populated Cities Towns Villages Legendary.esp
*JKs Skyrim.esp
*Skyrim Reborn - Whiterun Hold.esp
*Blues Skyrim.esp
*Friendlier Taverns.esp
*Forgotten DungeonsSSE.esp
*MoreBanditCamps.esp
*BreezehomeByLupus.esp
*OBIS SE.esp
*Skyrim Reborn - Hjaalmarch Hold.esp
*T'Skyrim Riverwood with Leaf Rest.esp
*Soljund's Sinkhole.esp
*Settlements Expanded SE.esp
*Inns and Taverns.esp
*AI Overhaul.esp
*Gunhild.esp
*WhiterunAddition.esp
*Qw_AIOverhaul_CRF Patch.esp
*FCO - Follower Commentary Overhaul.esp
Womanized OBIS.esp
*High Level Enemies.esp
*MoreNastyCritters.esp
*Wild World.esp
*SOTGenesisMod.esp
*Solitude Docks.esp
*Inconsequential NPCs.esp
*SkyrimSewers.esp
*Immersive Encounters.esp
*HammetDungeons.esp
*YurianaWench.esp
*SLAnimLoader.esp
*Immersive Patrols II.esp
*SexLab-AmorousAdventures.esp
*Missives.esp
*Missives - JK Skyrim.esp
*Kynesgrove.esp
*Dominion's More Diversity Mod.esp
*MagicalCollegeofWinterhold.esp
*Karthwasten.esp
*LIAT - Sounds.esp
*FlowerGirls SE - Adventures.esp
*Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
*SOS - Shop.esp
*Settlements Expanded SE - Inns and Taverns AIO Patch.esp
*nwsFollowerFramework.esp
*HaremVolume2Naked.esp
*LIAT - NPCs.esp
*Harem.esp
*Cher.esp
*Licia.esp
*1kjbrmf.esp
*1kef.esp
*Mors Feminine Females - All.esp
*Algarve.esp
EZonesRedone SSE.esp
All Skyrim Locations Reset SE.esp
*FEMALE.esp
*DibellasCompulsion-NudeSpell-1-1.esp
*KS Hairdo's.esp
*Settlements Expanded SE - Soljunds Sinkhole Patch.esp
*RiftenGarret.esp
*Jyotai_NPCs.esp
*Jyotai_DiverseTavernWorkers.esp
*MCoW_Cutting Room Floor.esp
*PAN_FollowerPack1.esp
*Jamie Companion.esp
*OBIS SE Patrols Addon.esp
*RosaFollower.esp
*Ample Amazon Conquerors (Kayla & Skyla).esp
*STFollowers.esp
*bm_SimpleAction.esp
*Busty Explorer Follower (Elizabeth).esp
*Katty_Cakes.esp
*Anna Companion.esp
*AthenaBalFollower.esp
*Olivia.esp
*Blair.esp
*BuffedLeveledEnemies.esp
CBBE.esp
*DIVERSE SKYRIM.esp
*SPTDiverseGuardsSkyrimSE.esp
*Diverse Stormcloak Soldiers.esp
*F_E_M_A_L_E Followers.esp
*Ellen.esp
*FlowerGirls SE - IW Patch.esp
*FNIS.esp
*FNISSexyMove.esp
*Inconsequential NPCs - CRF Patch.esp
*FNISspells.esp
*Giorgia.esp
*GRIM ElfMed.esp
*H2135FantasySeries1.esp
*Mortal Enemies.esp
*HentaiCreatures.esp
*High Level Enemies - Dawnguard.esp
*OBIS SE - SoT Bandit Patch.esp
*High Level Enemies - Dragonborn.esp
*High Level Enemies - Increased Max Resists.esp
*High Level Enemies - Raised Ability Caps.esp
*iLuvLoading.esp
Immersive Encounters - OBIS Patch.esp
InvisibleHeadgear.esp
*Jyotai_RevisedHouseCarls.esp
*Lily Follower.esp
*Laiheda Companion.esp
*LakeviewBardReplacerLynnSE.esp
*Marie A Redhead Follower 0.6.esp
*MiniBikini.esp
*Nefti.esp
*Neith - Timerigan Priestess.esp
NoNakedComments.esp
*Northern Priestess - EX.esp
*NPCsReleveled.esp
*Open Face Guard Helmets.esp
*Optional Starting Spells.esp
*Pia.esp
*Player Blink Fix.esp
*Populated Skyrim Prisons Cells.esp
*Promise.esp
*Quest Conflict Fixes.esp
*QuickLight.esp
*RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp
*SexLabDefeat.esp
*SexLabMatchMaker.esp
*SexLabRandomSex.esp
*Sheale.esp
*Skyrim_Strap_Ons.esp
*SLAL_AnimationsByLeito.esp
*SLPleasure.esp
*SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp
*SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp
*SPB_EHBunny.esp
*Stephanie.esp
*Stonehills - USSEP Water Remover.esp
*TavernGames.esp
*The Eyes Of Beauty - Elves Edition.esp
*TheCleaner.esp
*TheEyesOfBeauty.esp
*TheEyesOfBeautyAllRacesPatch.esp
*TravellersOfSkyrim - Dragonborn Addon.esp
*TravellersOfSkyrim - Vanilla.esp
*UIExtensions.esp
*Virginia.esp
*XPMSE.esp
*3DNPC - Archive.esp
*TKDodge.esp
*Rustic Weathers And Lighting.esp
*True Skyrim - CRF Patch.esp
*Winterhold Restored.esp
*Winterhold Restored - JKs Skyrim Patch.esp
*Darkwater Crossing.esp
*Rorikstead.esp
*Dawnstar.esp
*Solitude Exterior Addon.esp
*Ivarstead.esp
*Falkreath.esp
*Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp
*Dragon Bridge.esp
*JKs Skyrim_Dawn of Skyrim_Patch.esp
*JKs_Skyrim_No_Lights_Patch.esp
*JKs Skyrim_Arth CRF DA DB FA IV RO_Patch.esp
*JKs Skyrim Leafrest Patch.esp
*RDO - CRF + USSEP Patch.esp
*Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
*T'Skyrim - True Skyrim.esp
*True Skyrim - USSEP Patch.esp
*MageArmorRebalanced.esp
*Jyotai_NudeWorldOrder.esp
*Bashed Patch, 0.esp
*EveryBody's Different.esp

 

 

So I have some custom npc mods - they add new NPCs and have packages, but no scripting.

 

The latest occurrence of this was in a follower with some custom healing spells, Lily. Previously it his an Orc archer in my own mod, Jyotai_NPCs.esp - that became my motive for holding back on putting that mod out. The only commonality between those two followers is having gear given using an outfit that was their own outfit and not something like "bandit medium etc".

 

- Current iteration of my Orc gave her no outfit, I just put items in her inventory... which means she shows up in game 'nude' until something attacks her or she's recruited... and I changed her ID - I copied the NPC to a new record and deleted the original NPC... since doing those two things she hasn't become a "..." follower again. But before that she was pretty consistent about breaking after using for about 10-levels or so.

 

It has hit other followers from time to time, but that Orc used to be a consistent theme - and now that it's hit a different follower, not made by me... my theories on the cause are little more shaky...

 

(there are several in there I could and should get rid of as I'm not using them, like SLPleasure and some of the creature stuff that I got because I thought it was needed for sexLab but it isn't. Also most of the follower NPCs... I've generally started favoring my own designs, so next playthrough I may strip them all out - it's only the Orc having been a source of issues that has held me back - and kept me grabbing follower mods to see if, as has just happened, the problem wasn't just my own Orc.)

 

If no one else has ever heard of this bug... then I may have to consider that the flaw my Orc had... might also be a flaw in the Lily mod I downloaded as well, and not a more general issue out there...

Edited March 18, 2019 by Jyotai

[Deleted58783396User]

the solution is to uninstall all your porn simulator mods, then start a new game (mandatory because scripted mods cannot simply be uninstalled in an active playthrough and will cause even more issues if a new game is not made, due to the fact scripts bake into the save files, which will lead to Saved game corruption), and see if the problem persists

 

you are using mods that have been well known in the past for causing a lot of issues for many people back in the oldrim days.

 

the papyrus system has not been upgraded for Skyrim SE so any issues it would have had in oldrim, will still be present in Skyrim SE

 

from what i gather, Sexlab is very script intensive, running it with even more script intensive mods, is bound to cause issues, even on its own + addons is already reaching a risky situation, due to the script intensity.

 

Note: i have never used it myself personally and dont ever intend on using it, but i have seen a lot of posts with this mod and its addons mentioned in an aweful lot of posts with people having problems with their games. its not a coincendence that this mod is mentioned in the majority of them. and this is in all the years i have been playing skyrim, which is from 2012. so thats 7 years.

 

So yea because you have a script intensive setup, that is a very likely cause for the issue at hand, and am suprised you are not experiencing even more severe issues, such as Save Bloat, Freezing and Crashing.

 

So Possible Causes: Script heavy Setup, or simply too many mods affecting the Followers. both of which are caused by the same mods.