You removed my +100 endorsement screenshot? Are you kidding me???

[sPINELESSjELLY]

@Dark0ne, The Vampire Dante

 

To me, your decision is inexplicable. For a simple fact: I never saw nude people on that pic.

-I saw Adam and Eve.

-I saw centuries of (religious) art recreated with the humble means of a videogame modding community.

-I saw hours and hours of hard work to create something that I wouldn't even think possible before.

-I saw a great idea and a masterful execution.

 

I also saw that the community accepted it and hailed it as few images before.

 

Come on. Come on. You don't run a courthouse, you run a site, you have all the possibility to interpret the spirit of your own rules. That image was not offensive. If someone can enter a catholic church without closing the eyes, he/she can perfectly live with that incredible screenshot in the Nexus imageshare. We should all be able to make the distinction among tasteful/artistic and tasteless/offensive.

 

And yes, the Pope forced Michelangelo to cover the characters of his Last Judgement, but he certainly didn't demolish the entire Sistine Chapel.

 

Please, please, please reconsider.

[kenokun]

hi, i know its not my work but i'm one of the people who loved that photo. and i'm deeply saddened by removing the fall of man..

 

with all due respect, i know there is a thin line in art and pornography but i know he has no malicious intention in his work cause i know its an art which he based on.

honestly i don't see the picture as a "pornographic material", and i know most of those who endorsed it as well... but i know everyone has different opinion on this.

i really thought you mods saw the picture the same as us cause it was on top image for more than a week days, especially it was on top 1. :(

i just thought it would be better if you message the owner to remove it by himself as i know he would do so if you gave him a message.. cause i too love to take pictures of the game, and i know how hard for him to make that masterpiece. truly one of the best, I for one got inspiration on his works..

[TheVampireDante]

honestly i don't see the picture as a "pornographic material",

 

It's not about "pornographic material"... the rule states - no nudity. There was, so it was removed.

[Dark0ne]

interpret

 

x1000

 

If we interpret this image is fine, then we'll then have many more image authors messaging us and creating topics here about why their image which they interpret as being just as arty and fancy as this one also isn't allowed. It's a slippery slope and one we aren't going to go down.

 

We err on the side of conservative moderating of the Image Share because we want to reduce the amount of smut (note: I'm not calling this image smut, before you go crazy at the thought) and gratuitous sex and nudity in the Image Share. If you guys were around before the nudity rule change then you'll know exactly why this is necessary.

 

This topic really isn't open for discussion at this time. When I have more time to devote to the Image Share I will be sure to come back to discuss the topic with all the users, but in between site stability issues and new features that have been in the pipe-line for years now the Image Share is taking a back seat.

[kenokun]

i know the moderators wish only protect the site we all love and some decision would be hard.

i just thought it would be nice to consider the amount of work, time and patience he put for that masterpiece.

and it would be nice to give him the task to remove or edit the work. (but i know it won't be possible to edit that as its too hard to make it the same as the original) :(

[Yagho]

I can absolutely recognize the need for moderation and clear rules - I don't want a porn site either.

But that you do not have. The rules are not clear.

 

What does that notice really tell you?

http://i50.tinypic.com/dgq5u1.jpg

 

Genitals, that's pretty clear. But breasts? How much of the breast? Obviously not all, then you couldnt even post a char with the forsworn armor. What then? Before posting I asked around in the chat, and people told me the rule is "no nipples". None of that in my shot - so I'm fine? Yes? No? Same with "buttocks". The part saying " characters that are wearing so little that they might as well be naked (like 1 pixel wide thongs that cover nothing up)" is the most misleading - by implication this should mean that anything that covers (significantly) more than 1-pixel wide thongs is acceptable. Obviously that's not how you interpret the rules.

And yes, I did read the "Clarification thread" - only to be even more confused than before. The examples of what's allowed in the adult-section - which would potentially be most helpful - aren't helpful at all. 2 don't work, 2 are about combat, and 1 is acceptable because (although showing nipples) it's covered by a skintight suit. New insights = 0

 

 

I feel I had done my part by sincerely trying to get up-front approval. And I sincerely thought it was considered acceptable by no one taking it down or even approaching me about it. Having it taken down after 2 weeks and 100 endorsements, I can't help but feel thoroughly taken for a ride.

 

 

Implementing a concept that allows artful half-nudity while prohibiting smut wouldnt be rocket science either. Putting this issue (and the image share in general) off till there's more time is - I believe - not the right way to go. There are concepts that are "work- and resource-friendly". I can absolutely see your viewpoint. But I'm not sure the course you're taking is advisable. Right now you have millions of users and don't need to care about a bunch being unsatisfied/leaving. But in the long run you're still a platform provider who depends on their users.

You already have a certain reputation. (I'm not saying that's fair, but you have it). And it's things like these that make it manifest itself.

 

 

 

Me seeing what I'm seeing is because it's right there in front of me to see, and nothing more than that.

Come on. You seeing what you're seeing is a handful of slightly darker pixels. A handful of pixels that arent there on purpose, but because I, in contrast, failed to see them. Trust me - if I could now move the stupid branch by 1cm I would.

 

 

 

For the sake of argument - a picture from a children's bible and a masterpiece by Rubens

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-XKM2Vdje-3g/T8pEJ33YW8I/AAAAAAAAIVc/NTtqY-x-OrI/s400/Kids+Bible+Story+of+Adam+and+Eve.jpghttp://hookedonthebook.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Adam-nEve-230x300.jpg

Edited August 15, 2012 by Yagho

[Dark0ne]

You already have a certain reputation. (I'm not saying that's fair, but you have it). And it's things like these that make it manifest itself.

 

I have a reputation because I type how I'd speak. I type what I'd be saying to you if you were here in front of me. No crap (and some would say no tact as well..I can go along with that), just speaking plainly. I'm very much aware I lack all sorts of diplomacy, I ran out of that years ago when diplomacy simply got twisted in to having words put in my mouth...so nah, no more of that. My words get twisted even now, but at least I can say I couldn't have put it any more bluntly rather than having people struggle with that interpretation problem again.

 

If I cared about what people said about me I wouldn't have run these sites for the past 11 years, or I'd be posting threads about not getting enough endorsements or kudos left, right and centre. That's not me, I honestly couldn't care much less. I let the sites do the talking; one of, if not the largest modding network on the internet. I take credit for a lot of that, so I'm not going to be too bothered about what people are saying behind my back. If and/or when the sites lose their popularity and people stop using them I'll also bear the responsibility for that. To be fair, I'll probably take the view of "we had a good run" rather than "piss, I screwed up" because, to be fair, the sites have been going for 11 years, 5 of which at the forefront of the modding scene..and that's a good run. I'm just that sort of person :) The fact nothing has come up to replace the Nexus thus far, quite frankly, astonishes me. And I'm sure it astonishes many others, for various different reasons, as well.

 

As for my course of action not being advisable; I know this seems like a super big issue because some of your work was just removed and it needs to be sorted out right this instant. However, I've got a bandwidth overage bill to pay, new servers to set-up, sites that have been running terribly for the past 2 weeks that need fixing, features that we've planned and worked on for years in the pipe-line...so there might be a bit of a need for perspective in your thinking. Its something I'll come to when I come to it. I've apologised for not getting back to your private message and we've clarified why your image was removed, so now you know. Is there anything more than needs to be discussed?

[Yagho]

You totally misunderstood - I meant the Nexus already has a certain reputation (in respect to it's relationship with it's users)

[Dark0ne]

You totally misunderstood - I meant the Nexus already has a certain reputation (in respect to it's relationship with it's users)

 

Toe-mate-oes, To-mart-oes.

[Yagho]

I know this seems like a super big issue because some of your work was just removed and it needs to be sorted out right this instant.

Please don't patronize me. I didnt bring it up when I was first confronted with the topic, because I feared creating a stir about it would just provoke mods. Of course I'm upset it was removed - especially given the circumstances - and of course it provides an impulse for this discussion. I dont see how that compromises the topic's relevance.

 

I've got a bandwidth overage bill to pay, new servers to set-up, sites that have been running terribly for the past 2 weeks that need fixing, features that we've planned and worked on for years in the pipe-line...so there might be a bit of a need for perspective in your thinking.

I didnt ask You to do anything. The only thing You would have to do is being open for suggestions.

One thing any boss should be good at - I've been told and taught - is delegation.

 

But I see discussions and suggestions on this topic are unasked for - so back to the original topic:

 

 

I've apologised for not getting back to your private message and we've clarified why your image was removed, so now you know. Is there anything more than needs to be discussed?

 

We did? According to you it was removed due to a partly visible areola (not being a native-speaker I even had to look that up). I did a search of "areola" here on the nexus: "Your search for the term areola returned 1 results"

That would be your earlier post in this thread.

 

I maintain the rules weren't and aren't clear. I did not and - as far as I can see - could not have known that a few pixels of areola are over the line.

 

And although I'm aware how futile the attempt is, I kindly and humbly beg you to reinstate the picture. Call it an exception due to circumstances.

It's always a judgment call. If you work with vague terms as "near nudity" you'll always interpret your own rules.

Edited August 15, 2012 by Yagho