Bethesda has so much time to make another DLC but choose to make CC mods

[cossayos]

 

Really hope they just let Obsidian do it.

 

 

Obsidian is now a Microsoft division. And POE II was lackluster to say the least. Certainly not on par with POE I. Neither the main game nor the DLCs. This isn't the Obsidian of 2010 anymore. They also were swallowed by corporate greed.

[Arthmoor]

The Obsidian of 2010 wasn't worth the slavering worship I see people pile on them either. You think Fallout 4 was bad? Good lord, what kind of standards do you have when this is even being said in a serious manner? NV was terrible. Open world yet full of artificial barriers and railroaded quests everywhere. It took a minimum of 10 mods just to undo all of that and then the story still sucks anyway. Plus no continued play after the end of the game? No, just no. What is it with people and putting NV onto such a pedestal it doesn't deserve?

[Frigidman]

Let's just hope they decide to let obsidian make the next Fallout game. ...

Really hope they just let Obsidian do it.

Obsidian has moved on, and are currently wrapping up The Outter Worlds. Which then they would probably be making and milking that with DLC for a couple years after launch.

 

... which is going to be a flop judging by their asinine marketing exclusives.

Edited August 7, 2019 by Frigidman

[SirDanest]

 

I do not count mods when judging a game. Though even with mods the game is still boring and lacks nost if thd fallout feel

 

If it wasn't for mods, I would have given Bethesda the boot long time ago. Since Morrowind they didn't publish any game that wasn't cringeworthy in it's vanilla state in my book. Fot me quality ended already with Oblivion, which was the last game ever, I preordered, in the vain hope, it would be Morrowind enhanced. Wellt, it wasn't. I don't buy Bethesda games in hopes of getting an exciting game experience, but in hopes of the modders to take care of the issues.

 

All bethesda rpg(ish?) games tend to be junk compared to their modded versions, especially considering some of the mods are just bugfixes. It seems shocking that people playing (and hating) fallout 4 are only just learning this (or apparently not learning it at all.) It's completely normal to need to mod these games,fallout 4 is absolutely no exception; mods solve almost all of its problems that don't require the original voice actors to step in (something we can't really expect modders of any caliber to be able to do.)

But people rant about fallout 4 like they're unaware -- OF COURSE it's really weak in vanilla. Of course it sucks. It's Bethesda.

So I don't understand why there is so much rage at Fallout 4, when most of games are cringeworthy without mods. If you don't like Fallout 4... fix it! Just like you almost certainly did with Skyrim and the others, right? We shouldn't have to fix the games with mods, but I've been doing it since 2001. I expected I'd need to mod Fallout 4, just like I expected I'd need to mod Skyrim and Oblivion. Even New Vegas benefits greatly from mods.

[PhanomGames]

 

 

I do not count mods when judging a game. Though even with mods the game is still boring and lacks nost if thd fallout feel

 

If it wasn't for mods, I would have given Bethesda the boot long time ago. Since Morrowind they didn't publish any game that wasn't cringeworthy in it's vanilla state in my book. Fot me quality ended already with Oblivion, which was the last game ever, I preordered, in the vain hope, it would be Morrowind enhanced. Wellt, it wasn't. I don't buy Bethesda games in hopes of getting an exciting game experience, but in hopes of the modders to take care of the issues.

 

All bethesda rpg(ish?) games tend to be junk compared to their modded versions, especially considering some of the mods are just bugfixes. It seems shocking that people playing (and hating) fallout 4 are only just learning this (or apparently not learning it at all.) It's completely normal to need to mod these games,fallout 4 is absolutely no exception; mods solve almost all of its problems that don't require the original voice actors to step in (something we can't really expect modders of any caliber to be able to do.)

But people rant about fallout 4 like they're unaware -- OF COURSE it's really weak in vanilla. Of course it sucks. It's Bethesda.

So I don't understand why there is so much rage at Fallout 4, when most of games are cringeworthy without mods. If you don't like Fallout 4... fix it! Just like you almost certainly did with Skyrim and the others, right? We shouldn't have to fix the games with mods, but I've been doing it since 2001. I expected I'd need to mod Fallout 4, just like I expected I'd need to mod Skyrim and Oblivion. Even New Vegas benefits greatly from mods.

 

Prior to the release of fallout 4, the community was hoping Bethesda learned from Fallout NV's acclaim, which led to massive disappointment.

[cossayos]

Prior to the release of fallout 4, the community was hoping Bethesda learned from Fallout NV's acclaim, which led to massive disappointment.

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah, well, it's always a mistake to buy a ticket for the hype train. I knew nothing about it other than Bethesda doing another Fallout. So I knew what I was in for. A Bethesda game, filled with bugs, a lackluster story and a mostly unreactive environment. That's what I bargained for and that's what I got. I knew that mods would follow to take care of the glaring issues and so I didn't mind. But I'm not a Fallout lore aficionado, so I probably don't mind as much as others seem to mind.

[Arthmoor]

Prior to the release of fallout 4, the community was hoping Bethesda learned from Fallout NV's acclaim, which led to massive disappointment.

Acclaim? Do you realize how many MORE people were either indifferent to the game or didn't like it enough to post bad stuff about it?

 

I think you underestimate how well Bethesda knows its audience. Their games are generally quite good even with all of the potential bugs. Mods may extend the life of said games for a certain amount of time but if the game itself actually sucked as bad as you guys are going on about here no amount of mods could save them from obscurity. The game has to be fundamentally worth playing before it's worth bothering to mod it.

[PhanomGames]

I tried to soldier through vanilla and couldn't bring myself to go farther after 20~ hours.

 

I'd say without mods FO4's a fundamentally flawed and generally bad game.

 

This is probably why the NV modding community's more active than the FO4 mod community, which is why there's only a few really good big mods for FO4, which sucks because the engine's way better for stability in it, from what I've seen.

[Arthmoor]

The numbers don't support NV being more active than FO4 so I'm not sure where you're getting that from.

 

The reason FO4 doesn't have a lot of bigger mods is because its CK is a lot more complicated to work with and certain tech decisions that were made for the game make large scale mods impractical. Which is why you ended up with a ton of weapon and armor mods with a pile of settlement mods thrown in for good measure.

[SirDanest]

New Vegas, when it came out, had a bad to mediocre reception. I remember how many people were surly and disappointed, comparing it as a lazy, broken mod for fallout 3. Somewhere along the way, it found its way to worship and adoration. For some reason, I don't think fallout 4 will ever go through the same thing, even if mods fix _everything_ (which they almost have.) People love Skyrim and New Vegas in their modded forms, but insist on reviewing Fallout 4 in its vanilla state... kind of unfair since we're judging all of Bethesda's other games in their modded state, usually.