mizdarby Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 With high youth unemployment in the UK, with 20% of 16-25 not in employment or higher education, I think a reintroduction of some form of National Service/Conscription could serve the national interests, from the viewpoint of reducing the high levels of unemployment. The most obvious problems that I can see, is the fact that the UK is currently slashing its' defense budgets, and reducing the total numbers involved in the armed forces, and it's not a vote winner with the 18-25 voting group. Democracy in principle, is a worthy means of Government, however the principles are diluted by the people elected to Parliament, they may well start up full of idealism and a desire to make the world a better place, but once they are in power, their principles go out of the window, and they spend most of their time seeing how many mars bars they can claim as tax expenses. Saying that, I rather have a faulty Democracy than a functional Dictatorship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginnyfizz Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 National Service would be a total non-runner in the current economic climate in the UK, when serving soldiers are about to get their P45's. It would give the 18-25 NEETs something to do for sure, but it is not a panacea. And not all the unemployed are young anyway, as I know from my own present experience and previous experience working for a Welfare to Work Scheme. That taught me that any kind of Government Scheme is useless when it comes to older and highly qualified/skilled unemployed people - my word have they got a lot to offer in the workplace, but believe me, age discrimination is alive and well although it is supposed to be illegal, and so is disability discrimination. @jim_uk, the fact that the current Government makes Brown's mob look competent is indeed scary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghogiel Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 (edited) With high youth unemployment in the UK, with 20% of 16-25 not in employment or higher education, I think a reintroduction of some form of National Service/Conscription could serve the national interests, from the viewpoint of reducing the high levels of unemployment.Well these are 'fake jobs' according to the right, by their rhetoric creating government jobs just to get unemployment down is bad or something. Anyway they are public sector jobs that do not in create wealth in the economy, are in fact a tax burden. It's not going to help one bit even if the economy could support such social schemes, and while I would like to say that it wouldn't happen with Cons in power, but really no one could say, the parties don't half talk some s*** when bashing each other. Edited October 15, 2012 by Ghogiel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimboUK Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 The causes of youth unemployment are really two fold, firstly the poor state of our education system and secondly the elephant in the room that is mass immigration, those crappy jobs we all did as youngsters, the ones that got us started before moving on to better things have now been taken by immigrants, there's no room on the bottom rung of the career ladder for many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghogiel Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 When a fairly standard high street sales clerk job position has god knows how many applicants, a 25 person group interview where you have to give a 3 minute presentation, then another round of elimination interviews, then 1 person gets the job. I personally was a bit surprised at that. It's an unskilled low paying job. It's a decent one as far as those go, but is that normal now? I dunno I thought is was kinda ferocious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimboUK Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 It will be normal when unemployment is so high, they hold all the cards, I bet they wouldn't be doing that if unemployment was low and they were struggling to find someone. :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagrant0 Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 When a fairly standard high street sales clerk job position has god knows how many applicants, a 25 person group interview where you have to give a 3 minute presentation, then another round of elimination interviews, then 1 person gets the job. I personally was a bit surprised at that. It's an unskilled low paying job. It's a decent one as far as those go, but is that normal now? I dunno I thought is was kinda ferocious.That's the kind of environment that exists currently in the job market. Combined with companies that are turning away people who are either too experienced, or not experienced enough in that actual field, it makes it damn near impossible to land an actual job unless you can call in favors from personal connections. In 18 months of passing out my resume, I only got 1 interview, and it was for a position which was only loosely related to my area of training (easily beaten by whomever else they had called in after me). Even among low end work and companies who are constantly hiring, you can go months without an application even getting a response, and it's usually for some menial labor job. The environment is so bad that even someone with a masters degree can find themselves doing janitorial work since there is nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarRatsG Posted October 16, 2012 Author Share Posted October 16, 2012 Been away for a while, having to use the UNHQ's WiFi to post this :D Most of the jobs that young people get where I am from are not even official. They don't have job titles and aren't usually paid by cheque - it's all highly informal, like calling in a self employed plumber. Low paid, badly treated and usually told to leave with no notice - but it's something. As for what Vagrant said, in Germany there are more people with law degrees working in McDonald's than there are practising lawyers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagrant0 Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 As for what Vagrant said, in Germany there are more people with law degrees working in McDonald's than there are practising lawyers.Yeah, well those are lawyers. Being able to argue isn't exactly a useful skill when you don't have this vast economic system based on trying to screw out everyone and anyone of money. Such a line of business really only works in the US so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdHeartonIce Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 With high youth unemployment in the UK, with 20% of 16-25 not in employment or higher education, I think a reintroduction of some form of National Service/Conscription could serve the national interests, from the viewpoint of reducing the high levels of unemployment. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/Arbeitsdienst.jpg/220px-Arbeitsdienst.jpgReichsarbeitsdienstEver heard of them? Is it just me or people are start to losing it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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