When Freedom Calls will not start.

[SilverThorn12345]

When Freedom Calls will not start in pip-boy but the dialog moves along as it should but Priston then is stuck on the balcony. This is the second time it has happened. Last time Momma Murphy did not even show up. Does anyone now how get it to start in the pip-boy. Setstage does not seem to work. Completequest works but they are still in the museum. If anyone has heard of a mode that gives this quest a problem let me know. This is not real playthrough I'm just testing out mods at the present to set up my next playthrough.

[G4M3W1NN3R]

list your mods.

[SilverThorn12345]

Beware that I have been just testing for a playthrough. I wanted to find out how many bugs and plot holes and fix. What I can and cannot convert to esl and merge and work. Right now I have hardly left the sanctuary area. The count is a little less than 600 plugins, 244 esp & esm and 310 esl (with 65 not confirmed to be actually working). The setup is create a world that is close to medieval as possible more melee. bows little ammo and few guns.

 

Mod list:

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Fallout4.esm
DLCRobot.esm
DLCworkshop01.esm
DLCCoast.esm
DLCworkshop02.esm
DLCworkshop03.esm
DLCNukaWorld.esm
ccbgsfo4001-pipboy(black).esl
ccbgsfo4016-prey.esl
ccfsvfo4001-modularmilitarybackpack.esl
cceejfo4001-decorationpack.esl
ccbgsfo4045-advarccab.esl
ccfsvfo4003-slocum.esl
ccgcafo4019-factionas08nuk.esl
ccawnfo4001-brandedattire.esl
ccygpfo4001-pipcruiser.esl
ccbgsfo4074-pipinspect.esl
ccbgsfo4048-dovah.esl
Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp
AutoUnequipPipboy.esm
Damage Threshold.esm
VotWMaster.esm
WorkshopFramework.esm
ArmorKeywords.esm
Region Names on Save Files.esp
Snap'n Build.esm
EthreonMasterPlan.esm
Homemaker.esm
Knockout Framework.esm
SettlementKeywords.esm
XDI.esm
HUDFramework.esm
TrueStormsFO4.esm
Robot Home Defence.esm
AAF.esm
DamageThresholdFramework.esm
ZZ_IncreasedRadiation.esl
Merge-Chameleon.esl
XnjguyFilledMods_AIO.esl
HandyByDefault.esl
ReadNotes.esl
library.esl
Dogs can grab player.esl
Useable Sawed-off.esl
Decreased Subway Announcement Sound.esl
Vendor Budgets.esl
EssentialAbernathys.esl
spacefiddle_Follower-Stealth-Distance-Fixes.esl
CTHHostileNPCsSneakingAndOrWeaponDrawn.esl
Cleaner Goodneighbor Indoor and Outdoor (No Fog).esl
Converging_Conveyors.esl
Faster Terminal Displays (20x).esl
LongerPowerLines3x.esl
LoweredJetpakAPDrain.esl
NoTwigs.esl
ProtectronOverride.esl
Realistic_conversations.esl
SalvageRobotParts.esl
Sneaky Kills.esl
TenPercentBase.esl
dsos sensible barbell scrap lead.esl
FilledBrahminFeedTroughs.esl
Esk_NoTeleportingCreatures.esl
LureEnemies.esl
RemoteHack.esl
LimitBreakerSPECIALTraining.esl
Laurent's Robot Skins.esl
RealLifeCarryWeight.esl
TougherCars.esl
LagStealthModul.esl
Demolition Expert Throwing Arc Rank at 1.esl
More XP from quests.esl
NoExpForCrafting.esl
ShellThrow.esl
Realistic melee range.esl
Disable Enemy Killmove.esl
JMZ Melee perk buff.esl
DLCRobot - AdditionalVoices.esl
ScrapPowerArmor.esl
NoFusionCoresAtVendors.esl
Alcohol Value.esl
NinjaFix.esl
JJRobotVendorFix.esl
Deeper Voice For Super Mutants - Type A3.esl
Fixed Alpha Map.esl
ChemistMysteriousSerum.esl
Plugging A Leak after Tradecraft.esl
SanctuaryEx.esl
Automatron Helmets Fix.esl
FastSwordsMeleeRebalance.esl
F76ShotgunDamage.esl
Vault 81 - Named Residents.esl
Vault81CalvinTools.esl
WorkshopTurretsDontHarmPlayerPerk.esl
KCore's Simple - Filled Workbench Replacer.esl
AES_Bookcases.esl
AkaMoveYourWorkbench.esl
AllowVaultAnywhere.esl
ConcreteWalls_More_Snaps.esl
DLC05 Equipment Sorter.esl
travelerspistol.esl
FO4Hotkeys.esl
Fusebox Generator - More Resources, Fusion Core Resource.esl
GCM_DLC_Automatron.esl
GoodOldCartoonsVolumeI.esl
Grenade Pistol.esl
Grounded.esl
LongCoatVaultSuit.esl
ManufacturingExtended.esl
ModdableRobotSettlers.esl
More Where That Came From Diamond City.esl
Passthrough.esl
ProvisionerSupplyContainers.esl
QuickTrade.esl
SalvageBeacons.esl
SettlementPrivacy.esl
Stackable Brick Wall Foundations.esl
THP.esl
TabsMissingFix.esl
TheMobileMechanic.esl
TucksTerminal.esl
VotWSpecialVideos.esl
Workshop Bookcase Door.esl
holotapecopy.esl
RadiationProtectorESL.esl
BetterJunkFences.esl
FactionMaintenance.esl
CleaningStation.esl
Thematic and Practical.esl
AdrenalineRush.esl
EXALT Cybernetics.esl
MK_Agony.esl
BobIguanaDiner.esl
MoreVaultSigns.esl
WastelandBillboards.esl
Training_targets.esl
WhirligigRadarStation.esl
Saya_lsstring_VWAS.esl
Holsters & sheaths.esl
RedRocketReborn.esl
SouthernCrafting.esl
Wasteland Sniper Pack.esl
ColorfulSurvivalIcons.esl
Eli_TERA Rogue Mashup.esl
RealThrowingWeapons.esl
TERANinjaMasks.esl
Rock.esl
TacticalTommy.esl
SeasonsHolidaysReminder.esl
chopthatmeat.esl
Canned Goods Crafting.esl
tooun_Animationpack.esl
BetterWeapons.esl
mso_sms.esl
Lorenzo's Crown 1.3.esl
SanctuaryParts.esl
ehtyeci_MPX.esl
TheElderSwords.esl
SKKCraftableWeaponsAmmo.esl
V88MRI.esl
MakeshiftBattery.esl
4x Range Quest Markers.esl
EoW_CompanionDwelling.esl
SettlementSalvageBot.esl
WorldwideGhoulsV400.esl
AssemblyRequiredPowerArmor-Merge.esl
MoreRobotModels.esl
10mm.esl
Loot Detector.esl
Createabagoffertilizer.esl
dinomore.esl
GKX Big Junk.esl
SimSettlements.esm
Impervious Power Armour.esl
ConcordMusuemRestoration.esl
TC_FO4_EasyPicketFenceMags.esl
SimSettlements_IDEKsLogisticsStation.esl
HoardersApartementSettlement.esl
mre.esl
TC_FO4_BeantownRailBridgeCleanup.esl
SettlementAttacksBeyond.esl
Grim Vaults - 111.esl
SimpleGraygarden.esl
SimpleHangmanAlley.esl
SimpleOberland.esl
SimpleSunshineTidings.esl
SimpleAbernathyFarm.esl
SimpleRedRocket.esl
SimpleSanctuary.esl
SimpleStarlightDrivein.esl
SimpleTenpinesBluff.esl
CorvalhoWidowShotgun.esl
MREs.esl
scrappable_power_armor_parts.esl
SSCityPlanContest_AbernathyFarm_Ausplat.esl
SSCityPlanContest_AbernathyFarm_GraphicNerdity.esl
SSCityPlanContest_CoastalCottage_Ausplat.esl
SSCityPlanContest_CoastalCottage_Phil_T_Casual.esl
SSCityPlanContest_CountyCrossing_Mobina.esl
SSCityPlanContest_CountyCrossing_Myrmarachne.esl
SSCityPlanContest_CountyCrossing_TTG.esl
SSCityPlanContest_CountyCrossing_Yagisan.esl
SSCityPlanContest_CroupManor_Kharon93.esl
SSCityPlanContest_CroupManor_NDCowdy.esl
SSCityPlanContest_CroupManor_WDJ.esl
SSCityPlanContest_EgretToursMarina_Hornet.esl
SSCityPlanContest_EgretToursMarina_NDCowdy.esl
SSCityPlanContest_FinchFarm_Ausplat.esl
SSCityPlanContest_FinchFarm_Beloopceda.esl
SSCityPlanContest_FinchFarm_Myrmarachne.esl
SSCityPlanContest_Graygarden_ArtisanVirgil.esl
SSCityPlanContest_Graygarden_GenuineEntropy.esl
SSCityPlanContest_Graygarden_Yagisan.esl
SSCityPlanContest_GreentopNursery_Kharon93.esl
SSCityPlanContest_GreentopNursery_NDCowdy.esl
SSCityPlanContest_GreentopNursery_altasilvapuer.esl
SSCityPlanContest_HangmansAlley_Ausplat.esl
SSCityPlanContest_HangmansAlley_NDCowdy.esl
SSCityPlanContest_HangmansAlley_PhilTCasual.esl
SSCityPlanContest_JamaicaPlain_Harkness13.esl
SSCityPlanContest_JamaicaPlain_WDJ.esl
SSCityPlanContest_KingsportLighthouse_Ausplat.esl
SSCityPlanContest_KingsportLighthouse_KynthiaBarnes.esl
SSCityPlanContest_KingsportLighthouse_Myrmarachne.esl
SSCityPlanContest_KingsportLighthouse_altasilvapuer.esl
SSCityPlanContest_KingsportLighthouse_harkness13.esl
SSCityPlanContest_Murkwater_NDCowdy.esl
SSCityPlanContest_Murkwater_PBenjamin.esl
SSCityPlanContest_Murkwater_PyrateLV.esl
SSCityPlanContest_NordhagenBeach_Hornet.esl
SSCityPlanContest_NordhagenBeach_KynthiaBarnes.esl
SSCityPlanContest_NordhagenBeach_Myrmarachne.esl
SSCityPlanContest_NordhagenBeach_NDCowdy.esl
SSCityPlanContest_NordhagenBeach_Phil_T_Casual.esl
SSCityPlanContest_NukaRedRocket_Myrmarachne.esl
SSCityPlanContest_OberlandStation_Myrmarachne.esl
SSCityPlanContest_OberlandStation_PBenjamin.esl
SSCityPlanContest_OberlandStation_Saiyaness.esl
SSCityPlanContest_OberlandStation_VikingBaggins.esl
SSCityPlanContest_RedRocket_GenuineEntropy.esl
SSCityPlanContest_RedRocket_KleptoHeart.esl
SSCityPlanContest_RedRocket_NDCowdy.esl
SSCityPlanContest_RedRocket_SirLach.esl
SSCityPlanContest_Slog_KynthiaBarnes.esl
SSCityPlanContest_Slog_NDCowdy.esl
SSCityPlanContest_Slog_xMoridarx.esl
SSCityPlanContest_SomervillePlace_Ausplat.esl
SSCityPlanContest_SomervillePlace_Itzari.esl
SSCityPlanContest_SomervillePlace_KyanthiaBarnes.esl
SSCityPlanContest_SomervillePlace_Shag.esl
SSCityPlanContest_StarlightDrivein_Kleptoheart.esl
SSCityPlanContest_StarlightDrivein_MarkAlmighty.esl
SSCityPlanContest_StarlightDrivein_Myrmarachne.esl
SSCityPlanContest_StarlightDrivein_PBenjamin.esl
SSCityPlanContest_StarlightDrivein_Rudy.esl
SSCityPlanContest_SunshineTidingsCoop_Mobina.esl
SSCityPlanContest_SunshineTidingsCoop_Yagisan.esl
SSCityPlanContest_TaffingtonBoathouse_Ausplat.esl
SSCityPlanContest_TaffingtonBoathouse_Hornet.esl
SSCityPlanContest_TaffingtonBoathouse_Iztari.esl
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SSCityPlanContest_TaffingtonBoathouse_NickFarrell.esl
SSCityPlanContest_TaffingtonBoathouse_Nunya.esl
SSCityPlanContest_TaffingtonBoathouse_ShagomyJago.esl
SSCityPlanContest_TaffingtonBoathouse_VersusXV.esl
SSCityPlanContest_TaffingtonBoathouse_WeiseDrachenJaeger.esl
SSCityPlanContest_TaffingtonBoathouse_Yagisan.esl
SSCityPlanContest_TaffingtonBoathouse_shakana44.esl
SSCityPlanContest_TaffingtonBoathouse_xMORIDARx.esl
SSCityPlanContest_TenpinesBluff_Corvus.esl
SSCityPlanContest_TenpinesBluff_MarkAlmighty.esl
SSCityPlanContest_TenpinesBluff_Mobina.esl
SSCityPlanContest_TenpinesBluff_Yagisan.esl
SSCityPlanContest_WarwickHomestead_Nick.esl
SSCityPlanContest_WarwickHomestead_Tim.esl
SSCityPlanContest_WarwickHomestead_WDJ.esl
CROSS_MojaveManhunter.esl
Campsite.esl
CompanionWhistle.esl
Yggdrasil.esl
Ronin Sword.esl
Take and Equip.esl
See You Sleep CW editon - Beta.esl
BetterWSG5.esl
FilledShelves.esl
MoreRobotVoices.esl
LongerAreaRespawn.esl
SilverShroudRadioEverywhere.esl
GoodOldCartoonsVolumeII.esl
GoodOldCartoonsVolumeIII.esl
GoodOldCartoonsBonus.esl
SPDV-PlanetOutlaws.esl
SPDV-KillersFromSpace.esl
AKM_AKMS.esl
BbaronxScriptLibrary.esm
zDarthVader.esl
3in1.esl
VltElevatorDLC.esl
RRTV_MyFirstInfirmary.esl
Non-repeating player comments in Vault 111.esl
Lunchboxes - less junk, more food.esl
DeconArchPerkRequirement.esl
NoAnimalJunk.esl
Fat Man Removal.esl
ModdableCodsworth.esl
FO4DisLocExp100%.esl
WindowBoards.esl
NQAS - BoS Fire Support.esl
CCKCR.esl
Recipes76.esl
Infiltrator.esl
crx_HammerTime_Sanctuary.esl
ShieldBubble.esl
SettlementGardenBot.esl
Starlight fix 2.esl
MoveOldManStockton.esl
TeleportGrenade.esl
SettlementCopBot.esl
SettlementMedicBot.esl
DiamondCityAutoClose.esl
MartialArtist.esl
MMMFO4.esl
SettlementTidyBot.esl
SettlementFixerBot.esl
Wild Fruit Conversion v1.21.esl
ModularMilitaryBackpackWeightPatch.esl
Slocum Joes for SimSettlement by Iztari.esl
Slocum_Survival Patch.esl
Flicker Fixer.esp
ValdacilsItemSorting-Merge2.esp
FyTy - Items Into Statics.esp
AutomatronUnlocked.esp
OA_LootableMaterialsCrates_vanilla.esp
FemsheppingsDiamondSquareLoft.esp
SimSettlementChildrenSupport.esp
PiperCaitCurieDialogueOverhaul.esp
Delay DLC - Automatron.esp
Delay DLC - Far Harbor.esp
Delay DLC - NukaWorld.esp
Delay DLC - Vault Tec.esp
DodgeMod.esp
TheKite_Railroad_Handmaiden.esp
BTInteriors_Project.esp
Grenades - Weighted.esp
Improved Jetpack Flight Model.esp
New Chems - Weighted.esp
New Devices - Weight.esp
NoRandomMercer.esp
AWKCR - Mod Power Armor Engine Glitch Fix.esp
LooksMenu.esp
LooksMenu Customization Compendium.esp
CBBE.esp
Armorsmith Extended.esp
Crafting Ammunition.esp
Crafting Components.esp
NukaVimRack.esp
subwayrunnnernodynamic.esp
BTInt_Optimization.esp
Stm_DiamondCityExpansion.esp
Fallonsv1.0.esp
DiamondCitywithoutTrash0.5.esp
E3PC.esp
SlowTime.esp
Better Settlement Defence.esp
CarAddon4.esp
Sporty Underwear.esp
WastelandFashionAccessories.esp
WastelandFashion.esp
RHDaddonCost.esp
Binoculars.esp
CREAtiveClutter.esp
Crimsomrider's Accessories.esp
Crimsomrider's Tomb Raider.esp
Crimsomrider's Unique Furniture.esp
Scouter_V1.1_by_Ruddy88.esp
GCM.esp
Homemaker - Unlocked Institute Objects.esp
KURO.esp
No more monochrome - Color setting for the Pipboy!.esp
SkjAlert_All_DLC.esp
Child Outfits Vanilla Standalone.esp
OCDispenser.esp
PersonalTeleportationDevice(PTD).esp
Power Conduits and Pylons Overhaul - No Passive Power - SKE.esp
Power Conduits and Pylons Overhaul - SKE.esp
RHDgmCosts.esp
Realistic Roads 2.0 Black.esp
SettlementMenuManager.esp
True Nights v03.esp
TrueStormsFO4-EarlierSunsets.esp
TrueStormsFO4-FarHarbor.esp
TrueStormsFO4-NukaWorld.esp
TrueStormsFO4-EarlierSunsetsFH.esp
TrueStormsFO4-GlowingSeaExtraRads.esp
workshopanywhere.esp
Homemaker - Streetlights Use Passive Power.esp
AdvBubbleTurretSet-RealNP.esp
SettleObjExpandPack.esp
Realistic Roads - Black Asphalt.esp
SP Personal Teleport.esp
TransferSettlements.esp
Nano Masks FAO - AE Version.esp
Witcher - Geralt's Prologue Gear.esp
Rebsy's Greebles 1.6 SKE PC - Misc Release.esp
0oicloadedpallets.esp
g2m_Workshop_Nexus.esp
WastelandCodex.esp
Ground_Vanilla.esp
Better Locational Damage.esp
DogmeatNoOpeningDoors.esp
clothingoverhaul.esp
WearBothRings.esp
ClothingOverhaulSP_XB1_PC.esp
UCO_LegendaryPatch.esp
DiverseChildren.esp
Orphans.esp
GasHelmetsDLC AWKCR.esp
BLD - Leveled Lists - DLC.esp
Merge-Change Settings.esp
ValdacilsItemSorting-Aid.esp
IcebreakerCDO-Piper.esp
EveryonesBestFriend.esp
Improved Ecosystems Creatures only All DLCs.esp
mr Loot Logic and Reduction.esp
lesspipemoremelee.esp
MeleeWorldBETA.esp
Dodger2.esp
salemexpanded.esp
moreXplore.esp
Crafting Mastery.esp
SettlementShelters.esp
Sanctuary Hills - Repair and Cleanup - Compatibility Version.esp
BTInt_Optimisation - Region Names Patch.esp
Farm.esp
Crossbow.esp
Farm_CP_VIS.esp
Railroad Redemption.esp
Ground_Farm.esp
Eli_Armour_Compendium.esp
No More Moldy Foods.esp
SimSettlements_XPAC_Conqueror.esp
DCEnhancedSecurity.esp
Goodfellow's Diamond City Defences.esp
W.A.T.Minutemen.esp
MergedChildModsWithExtras.esp
Tougher Vertibirds.esp
Jif_TechnicalDocuments.esp
CraftingFramework.esp
Better Locational Damage - DLC_Far_Harbor.esp
Better Locational Damage - Valdacil's Item Sorting - Patch.esp
F76ShotgunDamage_AWKCR.esp
GhillieModRedux.esp
SimSettlements_MegaPack_YearTwo.esp
DCVendorOverhaulAIO.esp
DiamondCitywithoutTrash0.21.esp
DumpsterDiving.esp
The Sanctuary Bridge.esp
[777] Sanctuary - Reworked Roads.esp
pulowskivipshelters.esp
CheatTerminal.esp
LR_Motorcycle.esp
Secrets of The Commonwealth.esp
functionalobjects_vanilla.esp
LR_LoneWandererNukaWorld.esp
RedWave.esp
The UnderPassage.esp
XhirisEmptySandboxSettlementWorld.esp
DEFQ01.esp
The Metro.esp
Workshop Terminals.esp
LString_Bow.esp
Preydiation Suit.esp
ToggleFanning.esp
LonersBunker.esp
AzarHolsteredWeapons.esp
Vault-Tec Training Simulation.esp
BetterShackBridges.esp
Coffee Isn't Scrap.esp
FO4 NPCs Travel.esp
Gentec_Weapons.esp
SimSettlements_MegaPack_YearOne.esp
WareHouseExt.esp
PCDugWedges.esp
BasementLiving.esp
OCDecorator.esp
SKE_OCD_Patch.esp
OCDecoratorDLC.esp
UGO_PlayerModule.esp
Crafting Mastery - Patch Sim Settlements.esp
TrueStormsFO4-FarHarborExtraRads.esp
DeadlyRadstorms_Climate_15.esp
DeadlyRadstorms_Damage_25.esp
CAShield.esp
Shields.esp
WorkshopPlus.esp
Siles - Connectable Electricpoles.esp
dbwConcreteWallPower.esp
Knight Sword.esp
A Bobbleheads Adventure.esp
GOT.esp
Child Posters.esp
ChildrenofBunkerHill.esp
ChildrenofGoodneighbor.esp
Crimsomrider's 1950s Feminine Outfits.esp
K9TacticalHarness.esp
Crimsomrider's Amazonian Princess.esp
TrueStromsFO4 - Region Names Patch.esp
FO4 Seasons - Winter - AllDLC.esp
PosterForYou.esp
Advance Rebreather.esp
BusySettlers.esp
DTFOptionalPlugin.esp
CWSS Redux.esp
dinoshelf.esp
EnterTheBrotherhood.esp
MoreEnemies.esp
Better Cooking.esp
Better Cooking Stations.esp
Better Cooking Stations - Far Harbor + Nuka World patch.esp
CompanionHealThyself.esp
MMDestiny_AIO_RealisticConstructionRecipes.esp
FM_DTT_DamageThresholdForTurrets.esp
Lore-Friendly Survival Chems-Merge.esp
MK_CanteensofCommonwealth.esp
SCM.esp
Merge-Crafting.esp
SpawnSettlerButtonSS.esp
Craft Clothing without Chemistry.esp
Crafting vanilla chems and drinks.esp
Crafting vanilla grenade and syringe batch sizes.esp
CommChemExpanded.esp
HN66-SiriusArmor.esp
Fusion Core Charging.esp
Better Perks.esp
Better VATS - 0.75.esp
Merge-Instatute.esp
Eli_Companions 9000 GTX.esp
JaL.esp
Diamond City Amb.esp
SP Better Stealthboys.esp
UsefulCrank.esp
Cape.esp
Merge-Mediaval World.esp
FireSupportGlitchWorkaround.esp
PWR.esp
ccArcadeCreationCategoryOnly.esp
ccSlocumWorkshopCategoryOnly.esp
Scrap Everything - Ultimate Edition.esp
ScrapZapper.esp
Farm_CP_ScrapEverything_UE.esp
RemoteExplosives.esp
Remote Explosives AWKCR Patch.esp
Remote Explosives CTD fix in Workshop.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp

Edited November 15, 2019 by SilverThorn12345

[G4M3W1NN3R]

how many record entries does all 310 of them esl files contain between them ?

 

open every single 1 of them in Fo4Edit, and then click on File header for each 1, and report back here with the total amount of Record entries they all have (the file header will have an entry that says how many record entries the current ESL file contains).

 

your issue is very likely connected to the fact that you have an excessive amount of mods, which means you will no doubt have a lot of mod conflicts, as well as an invalid load order.

 

ESL files have a total Limit of 4096 Record Entries Split between them, which means you have no doubt exceeded the Record Entry Limit of All ESL files. which is why them 65 ESL files are not working.

 

Open Every Single mod in Fo4Edit, and check for Mod Conflicts, that means you will need to manually check all 600 mods for Red Background/Red text.

 

Note: if you require a tutorial in how to use xEdit let me know and i will happily write you 1

 

after checking all 600, report back here with any and all mods that Have Red Background/Red Text, i will then explain how to resolve these issues and likewise know what mod(s) is causing the issue at hand.

 

Also i Strongly Suggest Against Merging mods. that will cause issues on its own period. only those that completely understand modding, and have a lot of experience modding bethesda games may even attempt this and even then they will run to issues, because you are bypassing a hard limit, which means you are stepping into a mine field of issues, especially with any amount of mods beyond 255. the game engine does not support extreme amount of mods, this engine is the same engine that is used for all of Bethesda Games, and is only slightly upgraded for each newer game, as such this engine is really old and fragile and has very clear limitations.

 

to use an excessive amount of mods, or to merge mods, you must fully understand modding, and must fully understand how mods interact with each other, the load order, the save games, the game engine itself, the papyrus scripting system, and most important of all you must completely understand the Limitations this game has and understand basic modding rules such as never removing or adding mods in an active playthrough. (saying this part as general advice, not entirely aimed at you, but it is very relevant here, when i see 600 mods with talks of merging, to increase the mod count even higher, this shows lack of experience and knowledge on this very paragraph).

 

ESL Files are completely made to allow mod users to use Creation Club Content on a maxed out Game, that is their sole purpose. the Creation Club will never have the shear amount of content that already exists in ESP and ESM form, so these files were never intended to be used in excessive, they were meant to be only a few additional mods on top of maxed out game (254 ESP or ESM Files)

 

Hence the Very Limited 4096 Record Entries.

 

Note: while you may just be testing, all of my post is still relevant, its not ideal to test in extreme situations because you will not get the result you are hoping for, and i do not know if you are actually intending on using so many mods, as such all of my post is completely relevant.

Edited November 15, 2019 by G4M3W1NN3R

[StormWolf01]

To put this in a different light.

You work as a personal assistant for your boss. Your boss walks in with 30 carts worth of 600 boxes of paperwork, and sets all of those boxes on, in, and around your desk. "Have all of this done in 10 minutes".

You've got 600 boulders, all of various sizes and shapes, sitting on the edge of ledge. Right now, you've got a few of the smaller ones that slip loose and come rolling down the side of the mountain. Eventually, something big is gonna slip loose and the entire thing is gonna come down in an avalanche.

 

There is a mod limit for a reason. Because this game engine is old. It's creaky. It breaks easy, and it's patched together with shoestrings, bubblegum, and spray paint. The mod limit is there, to TRY to keep us from breaking it. HELL.... Sony has a 150 mod limit on the PS4 version, and it breaks if you give it dirty looks! (That's an overstatement, but NOT by MUCH.)

 

I'm all about mods. I'm all about trying out and playing with as many mods as you can. Don't get me wrong on that. Back in the old morrowind days, I broke that game more times that I have fingers. But 600 is EXCESSIVE.

That's not a play test, it's a stress test. And Cap'n she canna take the strain!

This is the tip of the iceberg. You're already getting script failure, that's gonna snowball, and just get worse the more you play this game, and the more scripts that fail to run properly. Hence my reference to an avalanche.

 

Honestly, congratulations, that you found a way to slip that many mods past the limit. That's actually kind of amazing. But expecting it to work under those conditions? Really?

[SilverThorn12345]

Like I said before this is an experment.

1. I wanted to find out what could be converted to esl and still work. I found a few that converts with no errors but does not work. For instrance the Jal.esp the ladder for the workshop. It could be created in the workshop but you could not climb it.

2. I wanted to tinker around with merges to better understand how they work and the best way to used them. Although I read that some merge weapons and armors, I stayed with just the mods with just esp files.

3. Create a world where it was more or less a medival world with little ammo and guns.

4. Create a lot of set dressings to usae as back drop for the possibly a recorded playthrough story telling.

 

Although I am stress testing but my real goal is to load everything I think will be needed and interesting for the story and it's telling.

 

That's why better Location damage and better combat AI are some of the mods I want in it.

Also more detail and expanded DC people and dialog.

 

Will I get there? Who knows.

 

But one thing I learned from my reading is that to much tinkering the mods when play the game causes problems. So I want get all the possible mods and if I don't have hard crash, which has not happened yet. Then review start removing unneeded mods which are between a 10 to 50 and working on fixing as many conflicts as possible.

 

Is 600 excessive maybe. But consider this the whirlybirds could be shot down by a sling shot almost. The power armor is almost as bad and you can find one on every block. There is plot wholes like the brotherhood and when they arrive. DC is really underwhelming. Then have all the bugs and glitches that need fixes.

 

When I retired I bought a Alienware laptop 64-bit Intel i7-7700hq core and I maxed out ram to 32 GB.

 

I have been do this experiment the last three months more or less. There only about 20 more mods I think maybe useful.

 

Now back to original question that G4M3W1NN3R asked the number of records under HEDR Header is tricky because CC also flagged as esm & esl, some esp are flagged esl. The CC record count is 1716. The esl record count is 29251. According the creation kit web reference it is 4000 esl files. And from the general discussion around the web when you exceed that you hard crash. Will it interfere with scrips? Good chance.

 

But is that the issue with why the quest When Freedom Calls is not starting. The descriptions I read range from heavily moded to no mods at all. They all agree on one thing the counsel will not work in starting it or in progressing it. Like I said earlier I am not exploring much except around sanctuary to test mods. When I go out further I usually go in god mode. The reason I discovered this was I was checking the mode, no free armor from Museum. I have not checked by turning off all the mods yet, because I'm still testing other mods.

 

Oh! The 65 esl I mentioned was just had not been confirmed as working. Yesterday brought it down to 55.

 

To let you know I exceeded the esp limit by almost 10 but not on purpose. It turns out that sometimes it lets you open the game and play but it does not load all the plugins at the end. It will eventually CTD with interesting results when you back to your save, half the your construction disappears and you have no clothes. It took me little time to figure what happened. Loot showed that the last few esp did not load and ReSaver showed me that there was only 4 esm & esp and 300 esl in my save. I had also forgotten about 0 counting as 1 in programing so the count will show 254 not 255. And if you think I should have more problems the last three months, I did. I would state CTD when I saved. When that happened I would go to just an earlier save or to the vault save. This last time I started all over because some one on line said they solved the problem by starting a new game.

 

Actually StormWolf01 I'm looking forward to see how long it does last, if I ever get all the mods loaded and checked and conflicts resolved. Once that happens no more experimenting, just playing.

 

Sorry for all the rambling.

Edited November 17, 2019 by SilverThorn12345

[SilverThorn12345]

Update (if your interested)

 

Found the the problem, sort of. I still don't know which mod or mods that is caused the problem. After a couple of days testing, I started a fresh game with min mods, When Freedom Calls started in the pip-boy and progressed to Sanctuary normally.

 

One issue I thought was a bug was just was an issue with Knockout Framework I think. Preston was not in the hall way with everyone else when you need to talk to Preston when all the raiders are dead. I could not find him anywhere but I realized my Pip-Boy had not activated tracking the quest when I turned it on the flag showed up on the floor where he normally stands. He was laying on top of the generators unconscious and I could not reach him. Waiting a couple of hours he showed up or should say crawled up.

 

Oh! by the way going to min mods just before you the start of the quest will do nothing you have to start a fresh game. I membered there was discussion once about having mods on when you start a playthrough, but I could not find the discussion online.

 

Thanks for the suggestions and advice they where helpful.

[StormWolf01]

Heya Silver- Well, I'm glad to hear that its working out for ya. Tho, I'm really not happy to hear that a mod is creating that kind of problem with essential characters. But yeah, I can see how what you describe could cause the problem that you had. The tampering with Preston was what resulted in him not being at the activation point, or something. It may have been his condition, in that from the sounds of it, the mod was preventing him from recovering right away.

So all that aside, HAH, I'd have loved to see Preston in that kind of condition. (I personally can't stand him, or almost any of the others from his crew).

 

As for starting the games with mods active, it is really highly NOT recommended to do so. I've had my fair share of mods cause problems either directly there in the house, or causing the elevator not to descend, to making that guy who leads you to the cryopod not going to it, to making the escape elevator not work, or making the door not unlock.

 

For something as (IMO) stupid as it is, the house and the vault has a lot of activators and triggers that can get botched up by mods.

[cossayos]

Update (if your interested)

 

Found the the problem, sort of. I still don't know which mod or mods that is caused the problem. After a couple of days testing, I started a fresh game with min mods, When Freedom Calls started in the pip-boy and progressed to Sanctuary normally.

 

 

Doesn't change the fact that you overmodded your game by a long stretch. Do you really need all that stuff? I didn't read through your list, but noticed it took up almost a whole page.That's far too many for a stable game. Frankly, I'm surprised, you're able to play at all.

Edited November 24, 2019 by cossayos

[SilverThorn12345]

I did not state it but I reactived all my mods aftrer I left the vault.

 

I remember reading something about the vault causing problems a year or so ago but I could not find it. This is the first time I am pushing the limit as how far I can take it.

 

I find some that are not as useful as described or not working properly. As said earlier I'm trying to fix as many bugs and plot holes I can. As I go through the test I will probably find more conflicts and problems so far I haven't gone beyond Concord except to test a mod quickly and then go back to a previous save. But I will eventually have to start a new game because to much tinkering will cause problems as well.

 

AS for Preston someone should make a mod so we can put him in cryo pod only bring him out when you need something.

 

As for stable, it got more stable yesterday because I finally found the problem that kept freezing my game the Read notes on containers and corpuses would freeze the game randomly when using a quick loot window.

 

And the fps issues, who knows, I can start at 7 and a little later is says 200 too 300+ at times.

 

I wonder should I post a log or something on this little experiment?

Edited November 24, 2019 by SilverThorn12345