Surprised?

[rpsnow]

One interesting thing!!!, in Fallout 1&2(2 for sure but not sure about 1) they further dumbed down the UK version by using the slightly censored variant of the more adult US version as base but cutting even it more.

 

By totally butchering the children out of the game it cuased all sorts of bugs, from invisible kids whose speech was still shown to major quest breaking bugs.

 

It was so bad that I sourced a copy of the more mature 'uncut' US version, just so the I did not have to suffer the UK version's chronic bugs. Yep I paid twice cos the UK version was so bad!, & BTW! Childkiller was actually a (rather dubious) perk in that you could get since it did let you kill them.

 

Rich

[Smith099]

the whole issue with the "hot coffee" and nude models was mostly do to the fact that the content was not modded in but was already a feature in the games. features that had been covered up.

 

about the legality issue with child killing in the game if its modded in, i dont know what could be done to prevent such mods, but i would not put it past some people to raise a big stink about it

 

Since Vash covered the major points I'll use his/hers (?) as the base of my reply.

 

-Yeah, the content for both "hot coffee" and the original Oblivion Nude Patch were content that was mistakenly ( :whistling: ) included in the final product of the game. That said, you could only access that content with the help of a mod.

 

-The .ini files included with the PC version of Morrowind and Oblivion and Fallout 3 allow massive changes to be made to the game world by editing a few settings. Rolfcore even listed the settings that would have to be changed before a "Child Killing" mod would work.

 

-Wharmaster: "hmmm...wonder if this has anything to do with them not giving us the Construction Kit...."

Ten to one says you're right. We were supposed to be able to do "anything" in Oblivion with the Oblivion CS; we couldn't make new skills or edit Magic settings (i.e. no making lockpick spells 'on-touch' rather than 'on-target' with out using script effects).

 

-Vash1985: "it could be hard coded that childern cannot be harmed"

Possible, but how long would it take before someone who doesn't like the "snotty brats" comes up with a way to change that?

 

-banjo_oz: "It's a LAW not to allow ANY killable children in games now?"

Ever play Dues Ex: Invisible War? In that game by the last level you could have killed off every single person in the game with the exception of the people in the three or four weapon lock-out zones. Children included. It was after that game came out that the law was put in place.

 

-Jlop985: "I never heard of such a law banning the killing of children in a video game. What was the bill called?"

I'll be honest, I don't know and I don't really have the time to look it up right now. However, has anyone else noticed that in the majority of games (I don't play the stuff out of Japan like Final Fantasy so I can't say if it applies to them) made in America, there are NO children? Morrowind and Oblivion should have had children, "My children are starving, please help." is a familiar line to anyone who doesn't kill all the Oblivion beggars the second they see them. Children were only added to those games by mods.

 

-Circuitous: "Oblivion was rated T before the nude mod - however, the nude mod isn't the reason it was changed to M. One look at the Dark Brotherhood/Oblivion Realms/etc. will tell you why they changed their minds, as well as how "thorough" the ESRB actually is."

Yes, Oblivion was originally rated Teen. And it was changed to Mature for the reason you gave, and then it was changed to AO (Adults Only) for the nude patch and the sexual content that that added to the game. I'm more than a bit supprised that FO3 didn't get an AO rating, the ability to get a hooker in Oblivion had to be added, its built into FO3.

 

-Circuitous: "I don't think a child-killing mod is going to start a riot or anything, but you can bet there'll be some people that aren't happy with it (other content notwithstanding)."

I think you underestimate the number of people who will get upset about this. Mothers Against Drunk Driving will get in on the act, the entire Religious Right, parts of the Religious Left, Amnesty International, the leftover hippies, and probably a few more that I haven't thought of.

 

What concerns me the most isn't really wheather or not there is a mod that allows us to rampage through Fallout 3 killing the children, its what the backlash will be towards a) the person who makes the one that gets spread over the news, b) BethSoft, and c) the websites that host the mod. I sure don't want the government (any government) to have a reason to look over and try to control the net, and a mod that directly violates federal law could give the American government (even with Obama as president) the reason to try to control sites like this one, especially since about half the moderators live in America.

[NXK]

apropos children in fallout 3

 

 

 

 

had some fun in lamplight recently: suddenly some mutants appeared inside and started shooting around and the children did NOT open fire at them, that's why the dogs are in there ... to kill agressors

 

 

 

 

another law-based-thingy ?

[worm82075]

@ Circuitous and Smith099

You are both sorely misinformed. The nude mod is the one and only reason it was re-rated from T to M and Oblivion has never been given the AO rating.

 

http://www.elderscrolls.com/games/oblivion_overview.htm

[SealJuice]

If that is true, then why is the Sims not rated AO? Mods exist that turn the game into full sex pedophile mode or S&M with animation and screaming. I'm just asking.

[mikekearn]

Because it was found out that the nude skins were already in the game, but like the San Andreas hot coffee thing, you had to mod the game to access it.

[Smith099]

@ Circuitous and Smith099

You are both sorely misinformed. The nude mod is the one and only reason it was re-rated from T to M and Oblivion has never been given the AO rating.

 

http://www.elderscrolls.com/games/oblivion_overview.htm

 

 

Just shows that you can't always trust the media. I could have sworn that I've seen boxes for Oblivion listed as AO. Ah well, mind plays tricks sometimes. Thank you for correcting my mistake.

 

Mikekearn is correct, the "Hot Coffee" stuff for GTA:SA and Oblivion was included with the game. Sims is simply being used in a fashion that it was not inteded for. Strictly speaking the people who made and use those mods are violating the spirit, and possibly the letter, of the Sims Terms of Use policy. I'm sure BethSoft, if they had the staff and the time, could try and go after some of the Oblivion mod makers; however, since BethSoft released modding tools for Oblivion, any legal actions they bring would likely be tossed.