Star Wars Epidode 7

[ub3rman123]

Scarier thing than Disney making up some stuff for more movie: They actually use what's in the lore for what happens later. Have you guys seen this stuff? It's incredibly stupid.

 

Disney has proven themselves semi-capable of making a non-cartoon more serious movie, maybe I'll just wait and see.

[JimboUK]

What was so wrong with the prequels? I enjoyed them all and I don't see where it went all wrong.

 

1. Midichlorians.

 

2. Lack of focused story due to constant transitions between groups.

 

3. Numerous and horrible plot-holes (really ask yourself why the whole Pod-race thing was needed in EP 1 from a plot perspective) (Or how a kid in a starfighter, even with help of the force, could just fly right into the base which is controlling the whole invasion and single-handedly, and unwittingly, blow it up ending the whole battle).

 

4. Some actors (actresses) who couldn't act their way out of a paper bag (not counting Jar Jar and the whole Gungan race).

 

5. Too many scenes discussing space politics to the point where even the real nerds were getting bored.

 

6. Useless Jedi powers and overly choreographed saber fights (watch Ep 5, compare that to 1, 2, 3).

 

7. No Lando.

 

8. Overly elaborate scenes with too many moving parts to distract you from what is actually going on.

 

9. Product placement (namely s*** that was only there so they could make a toy of it).

 

10. George Lucas having too much creative freedom.

 

*edit*

Incidentally... This.

http://chainsawsuit.com/2012/11/01/an-end-to-complaining/

 

There's an "Episode One Making Of" documentary with the boxset that gives a real insight into what went wrong. Lucas is surrounded by sycophantic yes men (and women), you can see brief looks of confusion and frustration on their faces but mostly you see fear, none of them had the guts to disagree with him. Lucas would walk into a room and the room went silent, when he made a joke everyone roared with laughter, even the actors didn't question the garbage they were asked to read. A scene in the documentary that shows them watching the first post edit screening is very telling, the look on Lucas's face said it all, you could see he knew how bad it was. It was only then that those around spoke out, of course they waited for him to speak first. Lucas should take most of the blame for the disaster that was Episode One but those around him need to take their share of the blame too, they were there for their input and by not pulling Lucas up on obvious problems they failed to do their job.

[saadus]

What was so wrong with the prequels? I enjoyed them all and I don't see where it went all wrong.

 

1. Midichlorians.

 

2. Lack of focused story due to constant transitions between groups.

 

3. Numerous and horrible plot-holes (really ask yourself why the whole Pod-race thing was needed in EP 1 from a plot perspective) (Or how a kid in a starfighter, even with help of the force, could just fly right into the base which is controlling the whole invasion and single-handedly, and unwittingly, blow it up ending the whole battle).

 

4. Some actors (actresses) who couldn't act their way out of a paper bag (not counting Jar Jar and the whole Gungan race).

 

5. Too many scenes discussing space politics to the point where even the real nerds were getting bored.

 

6. Useless Jedi powers and overly choreographed saber fights (watch Ep 5, compare that to 1, 2, 3).

 

7. No Lando.

 

8. Overly elaborate scenes with too many moving parts to distract you from what is actually going on.

 

9. Product placement (namely s*** that was only there so they could make a toy of it).

 

10. George Lucas having too much creative freedom.

 

*edit*

Incidentally... This.

http://chainsawsuit.com/2012/11/01/an-end-to-complaining/

1. What was wrong there?

2. I thought the story was pretty good, even with it transiting between groups of people.

3. Okay the last part with the star fighter, granted that was ludicrous but the pod race wasn't that bad. Anakin won his freedom and Qui-Gon Jinn got his money and parts to get off the planet.

4. A lot of actors(actresses) are like that.

5. Now I never got bored with that. I found it all rather interesting and i thought it also helped build up to the final climatic ending to the Republic.

6. What useless Jedi powers? and over the top saber fights? I don't understand this part.

7. Duh, its taking place how long before Episode V?

8. Not really. At least I could follow what was going on at all times.

 

9 and 10. I got no response lol.

Edited November 9, 2012 by saadus

[JimboUK]

What was so wrong with the prequels? I enjoyed them all and I don't see where it went all wrong.

 

1. Midichlorians.

 

2. Lack of focused story due to constant transitions between groups.

 

3. Numerous and horrible plot-holes (really ask yourself why the whole Pod-race thing was needed in EP 1 from a plot perspective) (Or how a kid in a starfighter, even with help of the force, could just fly right into the base which is controlling the whole invasion and single-handedly, and unwittingly, blow it up ending the whole battle).

 

4. Some actors (actresses) who couldn't act their way out of a paper bag (not counting Jar Jar and the whole Gungan race).

 

5. Too many scenes discussing space politics to the point where even the real nerds were getting bored.

 

6. Useless Jedi powers and overly choreographed saber fights (watch Ep 5, compare that to 1, 2, 3).

 

7. No Lando.

 

8. Overly elaborate scenes with too many moving parts to distract you from what is actually going on.

 

9. Product placement (namely s*** that was only there so they could make a toy of it).

 

10. George Lucas having too much creative freedom.

 

*edit*

Incidentally... This.

http://chainsawsuit.com/2012/11/01/an-end-to-complaining/

1. What was wrong there?

2. I thought the story was pretty good, even with it transiting between groups of people.

3. Okay the last part with the star fighter, granted that was ludicrous but the pod race wasn't that bad. Anakin won his freedom and Qui-Gon Jinn got his money and parts to get off the planet.

4. A lot of actors(actresses) are like that.

5. Now I never got bored with that. I found it all rather interesting and i thought it also helped build up to the final climatic ending to the Republic.

6. What useless Jedi powers? and over the top saber fights? I don't understand this part.

7. Duh, its taking place how long before Episode V?

8. Not really. At least I could follow what was going on at all times.

 

9 and 10. I got no response lol.

 

1. The force was always seen as something mystical, almost magical, it made sense for what was really a fairy tale set in space. There was no need for Midichlorians.

 

2. The story was riddled with plot holes, a lot of the time it didn't even make sense.

 

3. The whole pod racing thing part right from where they got off the ship was nonsense. On leaving the ship Qui-Gon says it's dangerous and that they must remain inconspicuous, then he suggests Binks joins them. Our noble Jedi then goes on to try and get a trader to accept a worthless currency by using a mind trick, he might as well have stolen the parts, the result would have been the same. He then blindly accepts that this trader is the only one with the part, here Qui-Gon has just fallen for the oldest trick in the book. It never occurred to Qui-Gon that in a space port there would be people who could use Republic Credits, why not change them? in fact why not just book passage on a ship going to Coruscant? they'd take Republic Credits. Instead we end up with a ridiculous series of bets where this time our fine upstanding jedi does get away with abusing his powers by interfering with the dice roll. The pod race itself was a farce, it was like watching a bad episode of Wacky Races. Anakin falls so far behind in this three lap race that force powers or not he would never have been able to win unless the others stopped for coffee half way round.

 

4. The trick is not to use bad actors, although I'm not sure how much was bad acting and how much was down to the bad script and the obvious limitations of blue/green screens.

 

5. The politics would have been OK if they'd been presented in a more interesting way, watching people sitting around talking about it isn't interesting.

 

6. The fights were awful, ballet with light sabers would have been more accurate. They were over choreographed and devoid of any passion. Look at the death of our dishonest and not very bright friend Qui-Gon, Kenobi watches as his friend is killed, he does look pretty angry behind that force field, surely when that field drops he's going to go to town on our mystery red faced foe? does he? well, no, he continues dancing and jumping about without one bit of emotion showing. Compare this to Skywalker at the end of Episode 6 when Vader threatens Leia, Skywalker hammers away at Vader in a fit of rage before stopping, regaining his composure and thus denying the Emperor what he wanted, there was more passion in that 30 seconds then there was in all the sequels put together.

 

7. Lando should be in everything.

 

8. There's was so much stuff going on that it was hard to follow and thus care what was happening, Lucas just filled the screen with as much crap as possible.

 

9. Lucas is a businessman first and (poor) filmmaker second. The decline started with the Ewoks and got worse from there, he was more interested in selling toys than entertaining the movie goer.

 

10. In the original films Lucas had people around him willing to tell him when he was getting it wrong, technological and budgetary limitations also forced him to be creative. While making the prequels he was surrounded by sycophants, filmmaking is a collaborative effort, the prequels were not.

[Vagrant0]

Pretty much that. Thanks.

 

Regarding the pod-race thing, there are literally dozens of things which could have been done instead. Selling off jar jar to slavers for the money for parts, then killing the slavers because of their morality in buying life for example, would have been less morally questionable than using force powers to rig the bet or cheat out a vendor. Even walking around town to find someone who would be willing to exchange credits for local currency (Even out in the middle of nowhere you would have traders). Nevermind that they literally have someone else after them who is an enemy, who has a perfectly functioning ship. But no. Instead we get a convoluted plan that eats up a good 45 minutes of the movie.

 

 

Regarding Jedi powers... They just don't ever get used in the prequels for any reason other than to become a convenient plot escape, or for influencing others in questionable ways.

[saadus]

What was so wrong with the prequels? I enjoyed them all and I don't see where it went all wrong.

 

1. Midichlorians.

 

2. Lack of focused story due to constant transitions between groups.

 

3. Numerous and horrible plot-holes (really ask yourself why the whole Pod-race thing was needed in EP 1 from a plot perspective) (Or how a kid in a starfighter, even with help of the force, could just fly right into the base which is controlling the whole invasion and single-handedly, and unwittingly, blow it up ending the whole battle).

 

4. Some actors (actresses) who couldn't act their way out of a paper bag (not counting Jar Jar and the whole Gungan race).

 

5. Too many scenes discussing space politics to the point where even the real nerds were getting bored.

 

6. Useless Jedi powers and overly choreographed saber fights (watch Ep 5, compare that to 1, 2, 3).

 

7. No Lando.

 

8. Overly elaborate scenes with too many moving parts to distract you from what is actually going on.

 

9. Product placement (namely s*** that was only there so they could make a toy of it).

 

10. George Lucas having too much creative freedom.

 

*edit*

Incidentally... This.

http://chainsawsuit.com/2012/11/01/an-end-to-complaining/

1. What was wrong there?

2. I thought the story was pretty good, even with it transiting between groups of people.

3. Okay the last part with the star fighter, granted that was ludicrous but the pod race wasn't that bad. Anakin won his freedom and Qui-Gon Jinn got his money and parts to get off the planet.

4. A lot of actors(actresses) are like that.

5. Now I never got bored with that. I found it all rather interesting and i thought it also helped build up to the final climatic ending to the Republic.

6. What useless Jedi powers? and over the top saber fights? I don't understand this part.

7. Duh, its taking place how long before Episode V?

8. Not really. At least I could follow what was going on at all times.

 

9 and 10. I got no response lol.

 

1. The force was always seen as something mystical, almost magical, it made sense for what was really a fairy tale set in space. There was no need for Midichlorians.

 

2. The story was riddled with plot holes, a lot of the time it didn't even make sense.

 

3. The whole pod racing thing part right from where they got off the ship was nonsense. On leaving the ship Qui-Gon says it's dangerous and that they must remain inconspicuous, then he suggests Binks joins them. Our noble Jedi then goes on to try and get a trader to accept a worthless currency by using a mind trick, he might as well have stolen the parts, the result would have been the same. He then blindly accepts that this trader is the only one with the part, here Qui-Gon has just fallen for the oldest trick in the book. It never occurred to Qui-Gon that in a space port there would be people who could use Republic Credits, why not change them? in fact why not just book passage on a ship going to Coruscant? they'd take Republic Credits. Instead we end up with a ridiculous series of bets where this time our fine upstanding jedi does get away with abusing his powers by interfering with the dice roll. The pod race itself was a farce, it was like watching a bad episode of Wacky Races. Anakin falls so far behind in this three lap race that force powers or not he would never have been able to win unless the others stopped for coffee half way round.

 

4. The trick is not to use bad actors, although I'm not sure how much was bad acting and how much was down to the bad script and the obvious limitations of blue/green screens.

 

5. The politics would have been OK if they'd been presented in a more interesting way, watching people sitting around talking about it isn't interesting.

 

6. The fights were awful, ballet with light sabers would have been more accurate. They were over choreographed and devoid of any passion. Look at the death of our dishonest and not very bright friend Qui-Gon, Kenobi watches as his friend is killed, he does look pretty angry behind that force field, surely when that field drops he's going to go to town on our mystery red faced foe? does he? well, no, he continues dancing and jumping about without one bit of emotion showing. Compare this to Skywalker at the end of Episode 6 when Vader threatens Leia, Skywalker hammers away at Vader in a fit of rage before stopping, regaining his composure and thus denying the Emperor what he wanted, there was more passion in that 30 seconds then there was in all the sequels put together.

 

7. Lando should be in everything.

 

8. There's was so much stuff going on that it was hard to follow and thus care what was happening, Lucas just filled the screen with as much crap as possible.

 

9. Lucas is a businessman first and (poor) filmmaker second. The decline started with the Ewoks and got worse from there, he was more interested in selling toys than entertaining the movie goer.

 

10. In the original films Lucas had people around him willing to tell him when he was getting it wrong, technological and budgetary limitations also forced him to be creative. While making the prequels he was surrounded by sycophants, filmmaking is a collaborative effort, the prequels were not.

1. It didn't really bother me or anyone else watching the prequels.

 

2. Didn't make sense? I managed to sit through all three films without getting lost.

 

3. Jar Jar was annoying. I think Qui-Gon was hoping he would get shot. And a Jedi stealing? They are supposed to be the symbol for morality, for all good. Him trying to trick the trader to accept credits is better than stealing them outright. No other ships were available for passage, and Qui-Gon was interested in the slave as well. And I don't think he was down by any laps, just far behind.

 

4 - 5. opinion only, won't go there lol.

 

6. Jedi are supposed to fight without emotion. To separate themselves from emotion, whether in mediation or in a saber duel. Skywalker was not a true Jedi at the time and did not have the appropriate experience to separate himself from all his emotions.

 

7. Just wouldn't have fit in a story taking place...40? 50 years? before the original trilogy.

 

8. Once again, I did not have a problem with this, and neither did anyone I know who watched it.

 

9 - 10. I lack the appropriate knowledge to actually answer this question lol. Ill admit that much.

[LadyMilla]

I recommend watching this review from Red Letter Media. :)

 

 

http://redlettermedia.com/plinkett/star-wars/star-wars-episode-1-the-phantom-menace/

 

I'd say I agree with about 90-percent of what he says about the prequels. One of the highlights of his Phantom Menace review is the part that starts at 10:13 (Part 1).

[JimboUK]

 

1. It didn't really bother me or anyone else watching the prequels.

 

2. Didn't make sense? I managed to sit through all three films without getting lost.

 

3. Jar Jar was annoying. I think Qui-Gon was hoping he would get shot. And a Jedi stealing? They are supposed to be the symbol for morality, for all good. Him trying to trick the trader to accept credits is better than stealing them outright. No other ships were available for passage, and Qui-Gon was interested in the slave as well. And I don't think he was down by any laps, just far behind.

 

4 - 5. opinion only, won't go there lol.

 

6. Jedi are supposed to fight without emotion. To separate themselves from emotion, whether in mediation or in a saber duel. Skywalker was not a true Jedi at the time and did not have the appropriate experience to separate himself from all his emotions.

 

7. Just wouldn't have fit in a story taking place...40? 50 years? before the original trilogy.

 

8. Once again, I did not have a problem with this, and neither did anyone I know who watched it.

 

9 - 10. I lack the appropriate knowledge to actually answer this question lol. Ill admit that much.

 

1. It bothered a lot of people, especially those of us that grew up with and understood the original trilogy.

2. See LadyMilla's link, it pulls them apart.

3. Tricking someone into taking something worthless in exchange for goods is no better than stealing.

6. The Jedi are not emotionless, they control their emotions which is exactly what Skywalker did, they're not Vulcan or robots.

8. Yes people did have a problem with it, it was the reason the movies lacked any real impact. At the end of A New Hope there is only one thing happening, the viewer becomes involved and is along for the ride. At the end of Episode One there was so much going on that you didn't take it all in as you did with A New Hope, instead of doing one thing well it done four things badly.

 

Follow the link LadyMilla gives, the reviews are long, are presented in a rather odd way and are full of strong language but they do spell out everything that is wrong with these films. It's not nitpicking either, Lucas screwed up the basics of movie making and story telling.

[saadus]

6. The Jedi are not emotionless, they control their emotions which is exactly what Skywalker did, they're not Vulcan or robots.

 

Just going to address this one then Im done. Of course Jedi are not emotionless but they controlled their emotions to where they fought without passion, without anger. Skywalker lost his cool and chopped off his Dad's arm. That's not really control. He slipped to the Dark Side, but pulled himself out and that's why Palpatine got angry next. :thumbsup:

 

I say the fights without passion from the Jedi were on purpose, with the rather vivid exception of Anakin. I say he had plenty of emotions in his fights.

 

Anyway, I don't we will change each other's opinions. But I know one thing we can agree one. This new trilogy will be the death of Star Wars. ='(

[JimboUK]

Pretty much that. Thanks.

 

Regarding the pod-race thing, there are literally dozens of things which could have been done instead. Selling off jar jar to slavers for the money for parts, then killing the slavers because of their morality in buying life for example, would have been less morally questionable than using force powers to rig the bet or cheat out a vendor. Even walking around town to find someone who would be willing to exchange credits for local currency (Even out in the middle of nowhere you would have traders). Nevermind that they literally have someone else after them who is an enemy, who has a perfectly functioning ship. But no. Instead we get a convoluted plan that eats up a good 45 minutes of the movie.

 

 

Regarding Jedi powers... They just don't ever get used in the prequels for any reason other than to become a convenient plot escape, or for influencing others in questionable ways.

 

It wasn't the first time he'd misused his powers, he'd used them to relieve the Gungans of a vehicle. Oddly later when Sabé and then Padmé want to form an alliance with the Gungans Qui-Gon states he can't use his powers to help her. Qui-Gon had used his powers to steal a vehicle, cheat a trader out of his property and rig a bet but he won't use them to bring about the end of an occupation and unite a planet. At this point one could be forgiven for wondering if Qui-Gon was in fact the mystery Sith.

 

 

6. The Jedi are not emotionless, they control their emotions which is exactly what Skywalker did, they're not Vulcan or robots.

 

Just going to address this one then Im done. Of course Jedi are not emotionless but they controlled their emotions to where they fought without passion, without anger. Skywalker lost his cool and chopped off his Dad's arm. That's not really control. He slipped to the Dark Side, but pulled himself out and that's why Palpatine got angry next. :thumbsup:

 

I say the fights without passion from the Jedi were on purpose, with the rather vivid exception of Anakin. I say he had plenty of emotions in his fights.

 

Anyway, I don't we will change each other's opinions. But I know one thing we can agree one. This new trilogy will be the death of Star Wars. ='(

 

Yeah we'll have to agree to disagree there, do look at those reviews though, even if you disagree with them they're still quite funny.