Scorch621 Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Well I stumbled upon this: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/The_Towersand well I thought it would make an interesting topic of discussion, I know Dragonbron hasn't come out yet, but come on, the Thalmor would probably be linked to a future DLC or game and this articles I linked above seems like the main setting and story.Like I could imagine in a future Elder Scrolls game that we'd go to Valenwood and see Green-Sap and in Skyrim snow-throat is currently present.Or maybe in future DLC we go to Alinor or something and see the crystal tower...Anyway, I'm kinda just opening this as a topic of discussionso...discuss!:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sajuukkhar9000 Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 (edited) Well first off, never used the Elder Scrolls wiki, that article is TERRIBLE as explanation the towers, and if full of non confirmed sources. Secondly-Orchalic Tower was destroyed when the Redguards killed the Left-Handed Elves and blew up Yokuda-Brass Tower was destroyed by Zurin Arctus the Underking at the end of Daggerfall.-Crystal Tower was destroyed by the Daedra during Oblivion.-Red Tower went offline when the Nerevarine freed the heart of lorkhan-White-gold tower went offline when Martin destroyed the Amulet of Kings-Green-Sap went offline before Oblivion-Snow tower is already offline by the time Skyrim starts. All the towers are already destroyed/offline except the Ur-tower in High Rock, and we have already been to High rock, so I doubt we will see it again. Edited November 8, 2012 by sajuukkhar9000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorch621 Posted November 8, 2012 Author Share Posted November 8, 2012 Well...I feel stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sajuukkhar9000 Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Well...I feel stupidNever ever use the Elder Scrolls wiki, for anything, ever. That site sucks, go UESP, or use the Imperial Library. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lachdonin Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Well...I feel stupid Never, EVER think your stupid when you learn something new. The only people who are stupid are those who refuse to change their beleifs when new information is revealed to them, and those who make people feel like crap for knowing less. Second, that particular article from the TES Wiki is not actually that bad... It's incomplete, to be sure, but a hell of a lot better than some articles on the same page. But i digress. As it stands, Mundus is in a bad spot. All but one of the known Towers have been either destroyed or is offline, and we all know the walls of Oblivion are perilously close. Which in its self only offers more potential for heroes! We know some towers can be created after the fact. The Brass tower certinally did not exist with the creation of Mundus (though time is a funny thing in the Elder Scrolls) and was in fact powered by 2 seperate sources, which means restoring the stability of Nirn is possible. Imagine a TES game where your heroic task isn't slaying some evil beast, but rather reinforcing the foundations of 'reality' (again, reality is absurdly subjective in the TES universe...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorch621 Posted November 8, 2012 Author Share Posted November 8, 2012 Really? is it that bad? the Elder scrolls wiki?Anyway, yeah I think what interested me the most was one of the links to the Imperial Library, Commentary on the Altmeri Dominion or something, the site has suddenly gone offline otherwise I'd post the link.and basically it kinda details the plans of the Thalmor, to basically destroy the towers, and therefore mundus, thereby becoming "immortal gods" and wiping man from existence.I have a very strange feeling that something to do with the towers will be in the either in an upcoming DLC or in the next game.I'd like to not kill something epic from time to time...the lackeys do me just fine, I like your idea Lachdonin about going on a quest to "fix" reality, be interesting to see during the main quest the universe breaking down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nakakita Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 I thought the White-Gold Tower was still working? The books talk about it as if it's still working. Or the entire premise of the book is.. erm. wrong? Spoilering this just in case... Umbriel's ruler/controller whatever you wish to call him is leading his floating part of Clavicus Vile's realm to the Imperial City specifically because of the White-Gold tower. He believes that it's powers over Mundus can remove Clavicus' hold over Umbriel. This would not work at all if the tower is as you put it 'offline'. But not everyone wants to read the books... and they're honestly not all that well written..And I'm not sure how part of a sea, that appears to be connected to a larger ocean can continue to boil for 40 years after the cataclysmic event.... But it's not like Tamriel always follows logic anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lachdonin Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 I thought the White-Gold Tower was still working? The books talk about it as if it's still working. Or the entire premise of the book is.. erm. wrong? Spoilering this just in case... But not everyone wants to read the books... and they're honestly not all that well written..And I'm not sure how part of a sea, that appears to be connected to a larger ocean can continue to boil for 40 years after the cataclysmic event.... But it's not like Tamriel always follows logic anyway. Agreed. On the tower working, i actually enjoyed the books quite a bit. And Red Mountain is no normal volcano, nor was Bar'Daur (i think thats the rocks name) a normal rock. Reverting to science, however, we know the bay in question isn't really THAT deep, and a constantly active volcanic vent could keep the water at the required temperature, particularly if the outlet to the straights was largely blocked during the Red Year. Theres also acid contamination which could create a similar effect, methane collection giving the impression of boiling etc... Moving on, however... It's made clear in The Infernal City and Lord of Souls that the White Gold Tower is still active following the Oblivion crisis, meaning the destruction of the Amulet of Kings did not deactivate it. However, the Thalmor held the Imperial City for a year and ransacked the Palace. If the Thalmor were deliberately trying to deactivate or destroy the towers, they would have had ample opportunity to do so at the time. Regardless of WHEN, it is the general consensus on the Bethesda Forums, at least, that teh White Gold Tower is no longer active, as of Skyrim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nakakita Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Apart from perhaps the Thalmor doing something, do we have any ideas on when/how it was deactivated? And I liked the books too. It answered a lot of the questions I was having about what happened before Skyrim. But I was also imagining people wearing frock coats, and tricorn hats for the majority of the book, and I still cannot fathom why. Perhaps I was thinking since Oblivion felt renaissance-ish that fashion would continue moving forward instead of.. well.. going back to the dark ages. It was nice to see the Argonians fleshed out a tad more, and to 'get to know' at least one of the Medes. But sometimes the author used strange words when something a bit less grandiose would have sounded more elegant and less contrived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justwannaddl Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 The Warp in the West due to the destruction of the second Numidian does lead credence to the idea that the towers do have an effect on reality in TES though I do wonder how much of it is defending reality from dissolution vs magic going horribly wrong. The towers themselves all have multiple significant roles in the game, whether they are learning centers, war machines, fortresses, natural landmarks or barriers to Oblivion. Though I do not doubt some of the objects mentioned are significant to the survival of Mundus, my personal belief is that the tower theory is just another wild story trying to neatly tie all the storylines in TES together. On a side note, I find it hard to believe that White Gold Tower is no longer active since its deactivation was the cause of the Oblivion crisis in the first place. It's "stone" most likely was the lit Dragonfires which was replaced by Martin, the Statue of Akatosh. I doubt that even the Thalmor would desecrate a giant shrine to one of the original Eight Divines. So far, Sanguine and Barbas are the only the Daedra that have manifested in Skyrim outside of a shrine, artifact or place thoroughly tainted by their magic. Even then, Sanguine was found in a bar (which may have substituted/doubled as a whorehouse/area under his domain) and Barbas has manifested before the events of Oblivion by himself anyway. Everything else needs to be summoned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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