Ghogiel Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Possibly not for much longer. http://www.bloomberg...es-by-2015.htmlYou know what that article didn't mention? About two thirds of gun deaths are suicides. How many of those car related deaths are the negligent driver and how many are the 'victims' so to speak? Doesn't matter. It's kinda the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syco21 Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 It Does, Actually. If Someone is Going To Kill themselves Then The Absence Of A Gun Isn't Going To Stop Them. I Don't Have The Numbers On Me, But America Isn't The Highest For Suicide Among DevelopEd Nations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghogiel Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 (edited) It Does, Actually. If Someone is Going To Kill themselves Then The Absence Of A Gun Isn't Going To Stop Them. I Don't Have The Numbers On Me, But America Isn't The Highest For Suicide Among DevelopEd Nations.Probably Japan most likely for suicides. But no it doesn't matter. It's humorous for several reasons. The first is that it is the age old pro gun advocate statistic that is thrown around in the logical vein of "heart disease is the largest cause of death, lets ban hearts!". It's a strawman. The humorous part is that it'll be over looked and used, until it is pointed out now that it maybe that car related deaths may no longer out number gun related deaths, then there is now something wrong with that statistic because it doesn't seem to back their point, so it's unfair.. It's just irrelevant. It doesn't matter that more people are killed by this or that or UFOs. Edited December 30, 2012 by Ghogiel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syco21 Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Um, car Deaths Still Outnumber Gun Deaths. suicides MayBe Increasing, But Actual MurderIs At aA Record Low for The Nation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghogiel Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Aaaaaand...... it doesn't matter either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colourwheel Posted December 30, 2012 Author Share Posted December 30, 2012 (edited) I think the point Ghogiel is trying to make is showing the statistics of Fatalities are already being projected seeing that recently there has been a huge stream of gun violence this year alone. Reguardless its just projected statistics. It shows it might be very doubtful Fatalities realated to guns will ever decrease in America at its current projected rate if no action is to be done about this. Edited December 30, 2012 by colourwheel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdHeartonIce Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 (edited) colourwheelThe difference is intent. A person with a leathal fire arm has a clear intent to cause murder when off in a shooting spree.Does someone recognize this kind of language? High power assault rifles, lethal fire arm, and so on.... Has nothing to do with reality but sounds scary on the evening news.No one else would use this kind of language. GhogielThe first is that it is the age old pro gun advocate statistic that is thrown around in the logical veinHey i don't need to debate this. You want something from others, you want them to give up their rights, you want them to give up property, you have the burden of proof. And even if the gun-banners would be right, in the end its everyones personal desicion if they wanna own a gun. And i say it again because non of you people seams to recognize this either: Its the position who wanna be left alone versus the position who wanna enforce law on people. Edited December 30, 2012 by ColdHeartonIce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colourwheel Posted December 30, 2012 Author Share Posted December 30, 2012 (edited) No, death by alcohol (either the victim drinking, or someone else) isn't considered a violent crime, but, the victims are still just as dead. In the last year, we have had a number of accidents resulting in fatalities that were alcohol related. Trouble is, the one drinking WASN'T the one killed...... four teenagers in one incident, when the drinker ran a red light. An entire family in another, when a drunk driver blew thru a stopsign, and t-boned their car. How is this not worse than shooting them? Want to get away with murder? Get drunk, and run your chosen victim over. If it's your first offense, you probably won't even get jail time...... it you do it a couple times, you might get a year or three. That's it. Shoot them with a gun though, and it's life...... Please explain to me how that makes any sense at all. The difference is intent. A person with a leathal fire arm has a clear intent to cause murder when off in a shooting spree. If you have the intent to murder someone with a car I wouldn't doubt you would be charged the same way one would mudering someone with the intent using a fire arm. Does someone recognize this kind of language? High power assault rifles, lethal fire arm, and so on.... Has nothing to do with reality but sounds scary on the evening news.No one else would use this kind of language. So are you suggesting a drunk driver has the intent to blow thru a stopsign and and t-boned another person driving just to kill them? and a random adult wandering into an elementary school with a high power assault rifle shot those twenty 6 and 7 year old kids by accident? My language is to point out how deadly the weapons used were when this incident happened. 20 little children as well as 6 teachers were killed in a matter of less than 3mins at Sandy Hook. Only an assault rifle could do this kind of damage in such a short amount of time concidering how many times each of the poor little children were actually shot. And i say it again because non of you people seams to recognize this either: Its the position who wanna be left alone versus the position who wanna enforce law on people. You do realize the U.S.A. is a lawful nation. You have suggested many times over for people who want gun reform to leave the country yet the government advocates laws with the intent to protect the poeple. living in a lawless nation would be scary. If this is the kind of nation you desire the united states of america is far from lawless. The 2nd amendment alone is law protecting the right to bare arms but like any law it can be legislatively reformed. Edited December 30, 2012 by colourwheel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdHeartonIce Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 20 little children as well as 8 teachers were killed in a matter of less than 3mins at Sandy Hook. Buhu and Obama dashes away a tear from the outside of his eye while looking down. Buhu what a tragedy. Only an assault rifle could do this kind of damage in such a short amount of time concidering how many times each of the poor little children were actually shot. I China people go postal with kitchen knives. Didn't hear you mention those poor little children.In Israel teachers are armed. In Israel nearly everyone is armed. Hear anything about school shootings from there? No, ofcourse not. Now 200 Teachers in Utah taking up arms to make it harder for madman to kill a kid. I don't care about the newton shooting. It doesn't effect my live in any way so why should i give up a per mille of my freedom because people think a autistic adult madman could kill them anytime.This Newton Story is total BS, filled up with lies and similar inconsistent like the Batman Shooting. You wanna tell me stories about how deadly this and that weapon is? The Media bring one story up and next day everyone seams to be an expert for assault rifles.They had massacres before where people on psychotropic drugs attack children with machetes and self made flamethrowers. As horrible this is it doesn't means the end of the world. Buhuhu this poor little children... Poor little children die every day on diseases and starvation but you can't use their deaths for political capital to takes someone else freedom away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colourwheel Posted December 30, 2012 Author Share Posted December 30, 2012 (edited) In Israel teachers are armed. In Israel nearly everyone is armed. Hear anything about school shootings from there? No, ofcourse not. Israel has far worst problems to deal with than school shootings these days sadly. Now 200 Teachers in Utah taking up arms to make it harder for madman to kill a kid. It's always good for people to understand how to safely use fire arms but in my opinion it's a little irresponsible putting guns in schools in the hands of teachers. The chance of even a curious student incidentally getting their hands on the weapon could lead to even greater gun problems in schools if a teacher unitentionally neglects them. Just imagine the 1st news story to hit the press when a student accidently shoots and kills themself in school when a teacher happens to miss place their fire arms in the USA. Poor little children die every day on diseases and starvation but you can't use their deaths for political capital to takes someone else freedom away. For once I can kind of agree with you on something. Around the world children are dying every day from diseases and starvation. But children dying every day from diseases and starvation is not a huge problem in the USA. I don't care about the newton shooting. It doesn't effect my live in any way so why should i give up a per mille of my freedom because people think a autistic adult madman could kill them anytime. This Newton Story is total BS, filled up with lies and similar inconsistent like the Batman Shooting. As for the shooting of the children, I would think you would have a bit more compassion about what happened if one of the children killed was your child that was shot with an assault rifle over a dozen times. Also for someone who seems to not care about the Sandy Hook shooting you sure are participating actively in this forum thread. Edited December 30, 2012 by colourwheel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts