Both sides of combat become hostile if I intervene

[A100percentBEEF]

Having a fairly major issue with Skyrim. If I intervene in any combat, both sides immediately become hostile. For example, I attacked an Imperial Patrol escorting a Stormcloak prisoner, and the prisoner immediately became hostile and joined the Imperials in attacking me. I reloaded the save multiple times to make sure it wasn't from accidentally hitting him with my greatsword's wide swing, but same results every time. Thinking it was a civil war issue, I uninstalled the Populated Civil War mod. However, merely minutes later, when I encountered the companions attacking the giant outside Whiterun, I joined in as any warrior character does- but they also immediately became hostile. Again, loaded previous save to test this four or five times with the same results. I've had zero luck finding anyone with this specific issue by searching the web. Any suggestions or solutions?

EDIT 2: DEBUGGING
I have been debugging my modlist for about an hour now with no solution. I've tried removing every mod that could have anything to do with NPC behavior and so far, no solution.

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Edited May 4, 2020 by A100percentBEEF

[IsharaMeradin]

It may not be NPC behavior. You could have a mod with some sort of cloaking spell that is perceived as hostile.

[HadToRegister]

 

Having a fairly major issue with Skyrim. If I intervene in any combat, both sides immediately become hostile. For example, I attacked an Imperial Patrol escorting a Stormcloak prisoner, and the prisoner immediately became hostile and joined the Imperials in attacking me. I reloaded the save multiple times to make sure it wasn't from accidentally hitting him with my greatsword's wide swing, but same results every time. Thinking it was a civil war issue, I uninstalled the Populated Civil War mod. However, merely minutes later, when I encountered the companions attacking the giant outside Whiterun, I joined in as any warrior character does- but they also immediately became hostile. Again, loaded previous save to test this four or five times with the same results. I've had zero luck finding anyone with this specific issue by searching the web. Any suggestions or solutions?

 

 

EDIT 2: DEBUGGING

I have been debugging my modlist for about an hour now with no solution. I've tried removing every mod that could have anything to do with NPC behavior and so far, no solution.

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It'd be helpful if you posted your load order in spoiler tags

 

I know I had a tough time using one magic cloak spell that created a soul trap aura around me, because it set off every hostile and non-hostile NPC because they took the spell as an attack.

[A100percentBEEF]

I will post my load order tommorow morning (I woke up late and have to scramble to work). However, today I did try and experiment with this fully vanilla, all mods disabled. Still occurring. I've tried validating my steam files but that didnt work either. Since it doesnt seem to be any mod, I have no idea where to go from here

[HadToRegister]

I will post my load order tommorow morning (I woke up late and have to scramble to work). However, today I did try and experiment with this fully vanilla, all mods disabled. Still occurring. I've tried validating my steam files but that didnt work either. Since it doesnt seem to be any mod, I have no idea where to go from here

 

 

OK, now if you removed the mods, and loaded a save where you were using the mods, then the hostile 'bug' is no doubt, baked into the save.

Which no amount of adding or removing mods will fix.

 

Try a vanilla game with a brand new character and see if that happens.

 

 

[A100percentBEEF]

Load order-

0 Skyrim.esm

1 Update.esm

2 Dawnguard.esm
3 Hearthfires.esm

4 Dragonborn.esm

5 Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp

6 SkyUi.esp

7 Vivid Weathers.esp

8 Lore Weapon Expansion - Daedric Crescent.esp

9 Lore Weapon Expansion - Goldbrand.esp

10 Lore Weapon Expansion - Relics of the Crusader

11 SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp

12 Book Covers Skyrim.esp

13 RLO Exteriors.esp

14 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp (Immersive Armor)

15 ImmersiveWeapons.esp

16 Guards_Armor_Replacer.esp

17 Cloaks.esp (Cloaks of Skyrim)

18 DIS_Heavy_Legion.esp

19 Lore Weapon Expansion.esp
20 Billyro's Weapons.esp

21 Populated Skyrim Civil War.esp

22 hillinalta2.esp (Mona Alta)

23 PaladinArtifactsAndArmor.esp (Breton Paladin Armor)
24 isilNarsil.esp (LOTR Weapons Collection)

25 KynesBreathWeaponPack.esp

26 Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim

27 TrueArmor.esp

28 DSerCombatGameplayOverhaul.esp

29 UltimateCombat.esp

30 First Person Camera Height Fix.esp

31 SPOAsilverknightarmor

32 skyblivion steel plate replacer.esp

33 StendarrPaladinArmor.esp

34 Billyro Swords.esp

35 Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp

36 Cloaks - USSEP Patch.esp

37 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp

38 VisualAnimatedEnchantments.esp

39 Eimar'sEdge.esp

40 Galanterie.esp

41 WitchkingSword.esp

42 Skyrim Weapons Expansion.esp

43 Zikoru Swords.esp

44 Racial Body Morphs.esp

45 RLO - Effects.esp

46 Northpoint's Weaponry.esp

47 RegentSword.esp

48 RaceMenu.esp

49 RaceMenuPlugin.esp

50 Ordinator - PerksofSkyrim.esp

51 Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatability Patch

52 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp

53 Open Cities Skyrim.esp

54 Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp

55 RLO Interiors.esp

56 RLO VIS Patch.esp

57 RLO- Illuminated Spells.esp

58 IcePenguinWorldMapPaper.esp

[A100percentBEEF]

 

I will post my load order tommorow morning (I woke up late and have to scramble to work). However, today I did try and experiment with this fully vanilla, all mods disabled. Still occurring. I've tried validating my steam files but that didnt work either. Since it doesnt seem to be any mod, I have no idea where to go from here

 

 

OK, now if you removed the mods, and loaded a save where you were using the mods, then the hostile 'bug' is no doubt, baked into the save.

Which no amount of adding or removing mods will fix.

 

Try a vanilla game with a brand new character and see if that happens.

 

 

 

You were definitely right about this, a fresh game made this work fine

[A100percentBEEF]

Alright, so update after some testing.

Not sure what I did, but the problem is mostly fixed. Combat encounters seem to go fine now. I want to do further testing, but the two I was involved in that didnt involve the civil war (Companions vs Giant, whiterun guards vs bandits) went fine. However, there is still an issue with the civil war factions. I will have to test actual clashes between the two sides, but tests against killing a patrol to free the prisoner they're escorting still result in the prisoner going hostile. Will use my two test characters to experiment and see whats the issue

 

Edit 1: Update, battles between civil war factions work fine, issue is solely with prisoner being escorted encounters.

Edited May 7, 2020 by A100percentBEEF

[IsharaMeradin]

Check the factions for the prisoner and the escorts. They could be in a shared faction or allied faction as otherwise they might fight each other instead of the one being escorted.