ROHT < Telvanni Council House

[AYLeiDRuiN]

[sOLVED] See posts #9 & #10.

 

Hello Morrowind Community. I had missing textures in my Telvanni Council House. Where all the Mouths are.

While running Rise of House Telvanni and/or the added plugin by a different mod'r 2.x.x

Pix of problem which shows missing floors and outer walls:

https://ibb.co/3vskg0B

https://ibb.co/ZVSBFSF

https://ibb.co/dKsnTJy

https://ibb.co/8jZWpsW

I Fixed it by opening up, in Construction Set, the added plugin ROHT.2.0.8.esp and marking the Meshes as "References Persist" in the Hall. Before I tried Pointing the meshes directly to where they are located in folder. =didn't need to do that :tongue:

My question is Why did I have to mark "ref. persist"? Why wasn't it working? It's fine now tho Wrye Mash is yelling about a Bad Ref on one of the Beam textures but w/e. Before: the problem persist with all ROHT mods. My thinking was another plugin was overwriting it but I had ROHT.2.0.8.esp as 3rd last. Even moved a platform in that esp to say that it Modded that interior. Which didn't work ofc.

Anyways if y'all know what's going on here I'd greatly appreciate it :smile:

Thank you for your time.

-AR

Edited December 28, 2020 by AYLeiDRuiN

[AYLeiDRuiN]

Welp, I thought I fixed it. Had the council house all showing b4 writing the thread, but now its back to the pictures. Found a script tied to RoHT_CouncilHouse_beams. It's about the expansion to the council. I'm going to attempt to mark those beams as "ref. persist" and see what happens. I'll edit this post with results. I did clean w/ TesTool & Tes3cmd dragNdrop, but the ref. persist was still checked after I cleaned it.

 

EDIT: Ok. Problem persists. Testool & tes3cmd both cleaned the file, but in CS, the checkmark for References Persist remain. Load up & go in there and back to the invisible walls/floors. So I'm going to replace the mod w/ the original and play til I expand the house. I'm including my load order. Again, thanks for your time.

 

EDIT 2: I think My Problem has to do with this script. In which I'll have to playthru n c if it corrects itself after expansion.

 

 

begin RoHT_CouncilHouse_beams_Script

; global RoHT_TelvanniCouncilExpansion

; This variable is set to 1 and 2 by Llunela Hleran in the dialogue topic "Consulate"

; or by RoHT_advisor in the dialogue "Greeting 1"

; and it is set to 3 by "RoHT_ilmeni dren_2" in the dialogue topic "my father" or by RoHT_advisor in the dialogue "control it all"

; 0 = the Council hasn't been expanded yet

; 1 = the player has ordered Llunela Hleran to expand the Council's structure

; 2 = the Council's structure has been expanded, the new Mouths haven't yet arrived

; 3 = the Council's structure has been expanded and the new Mouths have arrived

if ( MenuMode == 1 )

return

endif

if ( RoHT_TelvanniCouncilExpansion > 1 )

if ( GetDisabled == 1 )

Enable

endif

else

if ( GetDisabled == 0 )

Disable

endif

endif

end

 

 

 

Load Order:

 

 

Morrowind.esm

Tribunal.esm

Bloodmoon.esm

GOTYMinImpactSomeMPPv2.01.esm

Morrowind Patch v1.6.6_beta.esm

Texture Fix 2.0.esm

Rise of House Telvanni.esm

Hilgya the Seamstress.esm

HavishM.esm

Poorly Placed Object Fix 1.2.esm

MCA.esm

MRM-Non Pointy.esm

GDR_MasterFile.esm

wl_SolstheimOverhaul_v1.3.esm

The Undead.esm

Tamriel_Data.esm

TR_Mainland.esm

Texture Fix - Extended.esp

NX9_Guards_Complete.ESP

Neo's Unique Creatures.esp

The Merchant Fendus.ESP

Ulfric'sMorrowindFunSettings.ESP

MW_Public_Library.esp

Hirstaang Mill SO.esp

Neverhalls + Forgotten Halls SO.esp

Creatures.esp

Solstheim_mage_tower SO.esp

Siege at Firemoth.esp

ExoticsBoutique.esp

MRM_PuzzleCanal_Fix.esp

Better Skulls.ESP

The Forgotten.esp

Theurgist.esp

Djangos Dialogue.ESP

Hold it - replacer.ESP

Illy's Solstheim Rumour Fix.esp

Westly_Presents_FCOT.esp

Arn_DungeonTunnels.esp

Apostates of Oblivion_2.1.esp

Less_Generic_Tribunal.esp

Daggerfall Collection Ver 1.1 (BTB Edit).esp

Correspondances_of_Morrowind.esp

TR_Preview.esp

TR_Travels_(Preview_and_Mainland).esp

LGNPC_SeydaNeen.esp

LGNPC_GnaarMok_v1_20.esp

LGNPC_AldVelothi_v1_20.esp

LGNPC_HlaOad.esp

LGNPC_Aldruhn.esp

LGNPC_Pelagiad.esp

LGNPC_TelMora_v1_30.esp

Blades Safe House.esp

LGNPC_Khuul_v2_21.esp

LGNPC_VivecFQ.esp

Idle Talk.ESP

Ald Redaynia Extended.esp

AmalyanTempleRelease1.esp

Sotha Sil Expanded.ESP

AESPassiveCliffracers.ESP

TR_Mainland_2002_hotfix.esp

NON2.RoadtoMournhold.v1.0.2b.esp

NON2.RtM_Propylons_Patch.ESP

LGNPC_TelUvirith.esp

Better Robes.ESP

Uvirith's Legacy_3.53.esp

Propylons_1.3.esp

Apoapse's Attack.esp

Face of the Hortator.esp

MK_Khajiit.esp

Vurt's Leafy West Gash.esp

Vivec Waistworks Expansion.ESP

Vurt's BC Tree Replacer II.ESP

gr_ScriptImprovements.esp

Better Bodies.esp

ab01scenicCompilationNOM.esp

The Sanguine Rose.ESP

The Sable Dragon 1.7.esp

Erengard Mines.esp

Landscape Lavafalls.ESP

TheLostCity_6.3MNaz.esp

Tel NechimM.esp

Lokken+SolstheimCastle+AldVendrasVogar SO.esp

A_flock_of_seagulls.esp

Apothecary's Demise.ESP

Vurt's Grazelands Unique Trees.ESP

Expanded Sounds.esp

IoC_Clean_FullV1.0.esp

abotSiltStriders.esp

abotBoats.esp

Scrolls of The Nine Barriers.ESP

Magicka Expanded - Resource Pack.ESP

AlchemyFilter.esp

mwse_PoisonCrafting.esp

Caldera Mages Guild Expanded v1.2.ESP

Guarded GhostGate.esp

Veteran Dungeon Pack.ESP

MoonlightOnTheOdaiRiver.esp

New Arenthia 1.2.ESP

TR_Factions.esp

JMK - Discoveries And Adventures.esp

entertainers.esp

DaedricArmor.esp

Welcome to the Arena! v6.7.esp

Pelagiad Guard Tower Home.esp

Xen-Arien's Manor V1.0.esp

dx_Ascadian Mansion v1.2.esp

Varo Manor v1.3.esp

EBQ_Artifact.esp

Trader the Secret Trader.ESP

Bounty Hunter BUNDLE.ESP

Building Up Uvirith's Legacy1.1.ESP

RoHT Havish Patch.esp

UL_3.5_MWSE_Add-on.esp

ROHT_2_0_8.ESP

FLG - Balmora's Underworld V1.1.esp

Protective Guards.esp

Tel Dranori, Wizard Tower 1.1.ESP

NX9_Guard_LGTrib_patch.ESP

Haldenshore_1.2.esp

Daedric Cathedral.esp

OAAB_Tel Mora.ESP

DD_Caldera_Expansion.esp

Better Robes_v0.3.1 Patch.esp

Real_wildlife_2b Complete.esp

RR_Telvanni_Lighthouse_Tel Vos_Eng.ESP

WhiteSuran2_MD_Edition.esp

Molag Mar X.ESP

Meteorite Ministry Temple - Higher.ESP

Mage Robes.ESP

UFR_v3dot2_noRobe.esp

Clean Aln'Baldrahn.esp

DN-GDRv1.2.MRMnp.esp

CultSheog.ESP

Bloodwind.ESP

DemonOfKnowledge.ESP

Animated_Morrowind - merged.esp

Redaynia Village.esp

Pearls and Pirates.ESP

Tel Morgana v1.11.esp

Mamaea Awakened.ESP

Thieves Guild in Gnaar Mok.ESP

KogoruhnExpanded.esp

Ancient Foes.esp

Seyda Supplies 1.1.esp

DB_Attack_Mod.esp

Detritus Caria shady premonition.esp

Of Dungeons and Abodes.esp

WhiteSuran2_PPOF_Patch.esp

Better Morrowind Armor.esp

Better Morrowind Armor DeFemm(o).ESP

Dramatic Vivec.esp

RR_Holamayan_Eng.ESP

UL_3.5_RoHT_1.52_Add-on.esp

Merged Objects.esp

multipatch.esp

 

 

Edited October 25, 2020 by AYLeiDRuiN

[Dragon32]

It sounds like it could be mis-assigned references, did you try Renumber Refs?

[AYLeiDRuiN]

Thank you for the reply, Dragon32. No I have not "Renumbered Refs". Just did it and will let you know how I make out. I'm following this guide at assimilation labs.

 

EDIT: It didn't work. Same problem. Renumbered Refs on ROHT.2_0_8.esp. Couldn't do it to Rise.of.house.telvanni.esm probably bc it's a master. Followed the guide but when I copied ROHT2x.esp it said no need for an "updater". Renumbered to 4379 or something like that.

 

Since added plugin ROHT.2xx.esp doesn't do anything but dialogue, what if I edit the Council Hall as References Persist like I did before THEN Renumber Refs? I'm going to try that and see what happens.

IOW set mesh in_t_councilhall.nif in ROHT_2_0_8.ESP as References Persist in CS. Then Renumber Refs on that esp.

Edited October 24, 2020 by AYLeiDRuiN

[leonardo2]

What does the GOTYMinImpactSomeMPPv2.01.esm do?

 

I suggest that you get rid of MPP 1.6.6 (I consider it to be unfinished) since it has dirty edit and use an older MPP version e.g UMP 1.6.3, MPP 1.6.4, MPP 1.6.5 (NOT MPP 1.6.5d as it has have the same dirty edit as MPP 1.6.6).

 

Not sure about MPP 1.6.5c though as I haven't checked.

[AYLeiDRuiN]

Thank you for the reply, Leonardo2. It probably comes from the <2016 STEP Morrowind Guide. You think it's safe to switch them mid-playthrough? Back from Hayride so I'm going to do what I said in previous post.

 

EDIT: No go. Restoring plugin & look forward to anymore replies. Thanks again y'all :)

Edited October 25, 2020 by AYLeiDRuiN

[Dragon32]

Hrm, I'm not sure what to suggest then I'm afraid.

 

IIRC, "GOTYMinImpactSomeMPPv2.01.esm" is one of the options available in Script Tidy.

[leonardo2]

IIRC, "GOTYMinImpactSomeMPPv2.01.esm" is one of the options available in Script Tidy.

It is?

 

I've never heard of Script Tidy before.

Edited October 26, 2020 by leonardo2

[AYLeiDRuiN]

Merry Christmas and/or Happy Holidays, Morrowind Community. Apologies for necro'n my Old Thread but I found my Problem / Solution.

Tel Dranori added a Static to the in_t_CouncilHall.nif. It added a Sky_Moon_Large.nif. Idn what that is, other than some sort of moon :P

Anyways if anyone has this problem in the future; I opened all the mods I run in TESPCD. Checked all and found Tel Dranori...esp added a static to above. I then opened Enchanted Editor and deleted the Static Entry. Just checked and all is well. Cleaned the plugin just in case, but yea. I'm good. The Mouths Now have something to stand on xD

 

Enjoy the Holidays :)

[abot]

Note: renumber refs is not a tool you should use often, it is mostly for mod authors/very advanced users trying (and failing most of the time) to avoid the updating references problems for most users. What you should use if mod has broken references is Repair Refs.

But ideally your mods (and saves) should have broken refs rarely. This can be achieved using the Updaters Mash procedure whenever you update a mod (instead of directly overwriting the old mod version) and doing the same for o saves
More details in Mash help, my site posts and my youtube Morrowind modding playlist