Petition to restitute the Mod "Cabbage in A Pot" on the Nexus

[ZombieWombles]

@jardin

The reason it hit Hot Files is because it'e popular and unique.

Do you really believe that the boards would be flooded with simiular mods?

Your arguments are stupid and you know it.,

[Jaradin]

@ZombieWombles

 

I'm sorry... but it was a cabbage in a pot. Unless it was a follower capable of unique dialogue options and a bloody shout feature, I really don't see it being worth all of the popularity and acclaim that it received to stand up with the hard work of others.

 

That's like how in art, you find toilets submitted as "art" alongside Picasso. It's absurd.

 

Furthermore, I saw a few mods pop up after CiaP started to catch attention which I deemed "joke" mods, so yeah, I'd say it's a fair argument. Now I recommend you lighten your tone. It's my opinion, and you're entitled to yours. But don't try to belittle me because I don't share yours.

Edited March 22, 2013 by Jaradin

[FutureVisions]

Jaradin, on 22 Mar 2013 - 20:16, said:

Personally, I'm glad that they took it down. Not because I dislike the modder, not because I even felt offended by the mod, but because of its indirect affects on the community. Sure, it gave some of us a good laugh at first (and to the author's credit, that humor was sound, and I enjoyed it alongside everyone else) but the problem was that some people started to take the joke beyond humor - they endorsed it. They acted like endorsing it for giggles was healthy, but it wasn't, because every endorsement for the lulz thereby devalued the importance of an endorsement.

 

So here's the problem: if you have a joke mod like Cabbage in a Pot reach the Hot Files, you're going to have every immature "modder" start flooding the board with similar mods in the hopes of catch the community's eye and rising to the Hot Files too, all in the hopes of popularity and acclaim. Now imagine a hacker uses this as a way to slip viruses into computer systems. THEN the staff had to handle the whole mess.

 

So yes, it's unfortunate that the mod had to be taken down for the sake of the author and the joke, but I'm not sorry that it's gone. It was a joke mod, not a real mod, not even a serious attempt at a mod. So in the end, it wasn't worth the attention that it deserved beyond its cleverness of the moment.

You have very little faith in this community's judgment ability.

Sure thing a lot of "joke" mods have been made and cabbage in a pot wasnt the first nor the last. Some have been taken down and others never got many votes for varied reasons.

Even though that Wrestler dragon mod did. I believe it has even become file of the month at some point or close to it.

I actually found it. It's called Macho Dragons.

The video for it

and here is the link on the nexus.

 

Now the point you raise is what should be considered a joke and what shouldn't. And if being a joke (but non the less a mod) should be basis for a removal.

Edited March 22, 2013 by FutureVisions

[Shubal]

@ZombieWombles

 

I'm sorry... but it was a cabbage in a pot. Unless it was a follower capable of unique dialogue options and a bloody shout feature, I really don't see it being worth all of the popularity and acclaim that it received to stand up with the hard work of others.

 

That's like how in art, you find toilets submitted as "art" alongside Picasso. It's absurd.

 

Furthermore, I saw a few mods pop up after CiaP started to catch attention which I deemed "joke" mods, so yeah, I'd say it's a fair argument. Now I recommend you lighten your tone. It's my opinion, and you're entitled to yours. But don't try to belittle me because I don't share yours.

Come on....it was a cabbage in a pot! The mod meant nothing, only the commentary had value. It was unique and cathartic to those who had been following its quirky progress. I gather you either have not read the thread or have no sense of humor.

[Jaradin]

I apologize for not being clear in what bothered me about Cabbage in a Pot as an endorsed mod. Your point of Macho Dragons is valid, because I've always enjoyed mods like that one which are introduced into the community, and I have no problems with the Macho Dragon mod reaching the hot files. However, there's a notable difference between Macho Dragon and the Cabbage in a Pot mods: MD likely required some notable effort on the part of the modder to code the script of the replacer, introduce suitable sound files, and reshape Alduin's appearance to look like Randy Savage. That likely took several hours of work and dedication. Now, I ask you: how much work do you really think was needed for Cabbage in a Pot? The modder installed two vanilla objects together onto a vanilla location in the game world - that's it. The joke of the mod wasn't the product of the mod itself or even its affect on the game, but the presentation and the connotation to the community - THAT was the joke. As a community staple, it was a great laugh, but as a mod, it hardly deserved the endorsements that it received.

 

Why didn't it deserve those endorsements in my opinion? Because I feel that endorsements are meant to represent a player's belief that the mod makes a sizable contribution to the game in a positive, and most importantly, memorable way. Are you going to endorse a mod that you think is forgettable or not interesting to you? No, I daresay you wouldn't. That's the whole point of the endorsement system, isn't it? To represent to the rest of the community what good works are on the site. So when you're giving 100+ endorsements to CiaP because you enjoyed a moment's laugh, I'm bothered by that, because it's devaluing the importance of that vote for other people.

 

So yeah, I have no problem with joke mods. In fact, I enjoy them just as much as everyone else. But endorsements are about endorsing quality works for the mod itself and its contributions to the game, not about +1ing or liking somebody's joke.

 

Now, naturally those 100+ endorsers had a different opinion than me, and as a community member, all I can do is disagree with their opinions. But I still believe that, as a community of dedicated, hard-working modders, holding up such a work on the hot files does have negative ramifications. It's not as pure as you two claim it to be.

 

Edit: I decided to add an underline under "game" to make emphasis. Way I see it, the endorsement feature's there to emphasize the value of a mod to the game, not simply to the community. I didn't endorse Apollodown's Dragon Combat Overhaul merely because he and his images were funny (and he really is funny, seriously) but because he made a good mod which contributed to the game. Did his humor help with getting me interested in the mod? Absolutely. But I wasn't going to endorse it just because of that. And that's my whole point: the importance of endorsing MODS, and the way they modify the GAME, and nothing else. And I think a lot of people got carried away with it.

Edited March 22, 2013 by Jaradin

[RourkeSwift]

Why didn't it deserve those endorsements in my opinion? Because I feel that endorsements are meant to represent a player's belief that the mod makes a sizable contribution to the game in a positive, and most importantly, memorable way.

 

C'mon now. If that's really how endorsements work, there are about 14,000 "look like a derpy anime teenager" mods that have misappropriated endorsements as well. A stupid rad cabbage in a pot (RIP Krautie) getting love is no different than XpOsErMaN's TRIPLE F BOUNCING BOOBS DEULUX getting love. Sure, the bouncy boobs may have required a bit more effort on the modder's part, but it hardly makes a "contribution to the game in a positive and memorable way."

 

Let's not start calling this stuff what it ain't. Just sayin'. :wink:

 

Edit - Read your edit after opening my reply editor... disregard!

Edited March 22, 2013 by RourkeSwift

[FutureVisions]

There may be several reasons to endorse a mod. I most certainly would not consider complexity an essential aspect for endorsement. Like it has already been debated a few pages back. All it takes is an enjoyable mod or a basic mod that contributes a lot to "whatever".

 

Personally I found that the Randy Savage mod was less funny even though a bit more complex (possibly due to the fact that it's comedy style wasn't as subtle).

But then again that's just my personal opinion. Much like you have yours.

But I don't judge other people's opinion's or their right to have them or express them (even though I may not agree with them all).

[FutureVisions]

 

A stupid rad cabbage in a pot (RIP Krautie) getting love is no different than XpOsErMaN's TRIPLE F BOUNCING BOOBS DEULUX getting love. Sure, the bouncy boobs may have required a bit more effort on the modder's part, but it hardly makes a "contribution to the game in a positive and memorable way."

 

 

Also this.

[Shubal]

At one point in the fun CIAP had 77 endorsements for 76 unique DLs , a mystery that caught several eyes and added to the absurdity. I suspect that propelled another wave of endorsements and suddenly it went from the darkness of comedy to the demanding brilliance of Hotness and was thus exposed to many unfamiliar with the gag. Thus a hasty Greybeard shouted it to Oblivion. Edited March 22, 2013 by Shubal

[Jaradin]

Yeah, I suspect the debate's sort of hit that point of modus videndi, at least for me. Rourke brought up a fair point (albeit while those modders/players have the right to exist, the rest of us certainly question their taste) that I can't question, and you're also right, Future. It all comes back to opinion and the gamer's experience. And Zombie's right too: I was being a bit too "what-if" in my speculation, but I still feel as if the validity of the mod itself was heavily outweighed by its community significance. But so it goes, I rest my claims.

Edited March 22, 2013 by Jaradin