CONGRATULATIONS AMERICA!

[Gligamesh]

Eh, Bush was a pawn just like the rest of them. He wasn't as "bad" as people make him out to be. Just more obvious than most. Warrantless wire tapping began with Clinton under Project Echelon.

Obama is turning out great. Not only has he reversed course on his campaign rhetoric, he has also reversed course ON HIS VERY OWN EXECUTIVE ORDER by tapping a Raytheon lobbyist for the position of Deputy Secretary of Defense. One William J. Lynn III.

He's at least as bad a liar as Bush, and as bad at flubbing speeches to boot. No wonder he kept his mouth shut for most of his campaign...

 

It is a scary thought that America's citizens might be stripped of their means (and rights) to defend themselves not from just individual burglars and thugs but from their own government if the need arises. If you recall, Hitler disarmed his citizens early in his game plan.

 

LHammonds

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/253356/weapo...in_new_orleans/

Welcome to our future.

For our own good, of course...

[exanimis]

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/253356/weapo...in_new_orleans/

Welcome to our future.

For our own good, of course...

 

Kudos Gligamesh for posting that video. I had no idea that that had happened here in America. Then again, like the average German citizen under Hitlers reign, we really don't know what is truly going on in our own country.

[myrmaad]

Come on, Exanimis. Now I think you're blowing smoke up my butt. Don't you watch serious news shows? I suggest Nova, PBS, Democracy Now, and C-SPAN.

[exanimis]

I have the bad habit of picking and choosing what I remember, I guess in a way we all do. No I don't remember that, My Bad. I do remember other thing that a lot of people seem to overlook or ignore, I guess it's my birth defect. I was born with Opticalrectanitus, That's when your eye balls switch places with your butt hole and you have a crappy outlook on life.

 

Gligamesh posted that Eh, Bush was a pawn just like the rest of them. I have to agree, I no longer believe in our government or the voting process. I see things a little different, I'm not saying I'm right or that yours or anyone opinions are wrong. I remember when Dole ran against Clinton. Clinton won the electoral vote and Dole conceded the election and stepped down. The votes of less than five states had been tallied and Clinton was announced as the winner. I don't know how anyone of you felt about that but to me that was a slap in the face to every registered voter in America. Forty five states voted for nothing, their votes didn't count and were not even tallied. As an American citizen, I was insulted. The very next election, Bush vs Gore was the longest election in U.S. history. Every vote had to be counted and recounted so the the American people would know that their votes did count. My days of blindly following what our government and the media reported came to an end.

 

I remember when Clinton left office. Hillery went from the white house to the senate. No other first lady had done anything like that, it should have been big news but it was kept on the down low. I remember hearing about her on the news and telling my wife that she was being groomed for the presidency. When the elections started, there she was and who was running against her? A black man with a Muslim/Arabic sounding name. America is and was at war with Iraq, no U.S citizen would vote for a black man with that kind of a name. Hillery was set. The only problem she had was that she, like her husband, couldn't tell the truth if her life depended on it. Her lies ruined her chances and the only other choice was Obama. God knows that there is no way in hell that two republicans can serve consecutively in the oval office.

 

I'm not saying that I am better than anyone else, I just see thing a little different. Right or wrong, it is my way of seeing events and that is what I have been saying all along. If you watch the news for the next eight years, Oh and reporters are already refering to this as Obama's first term. you will see that everything bad that happens will be because of former president Bush and Obama will get credit for everything good.

 

Vagrant made a good point with explaining how the media is all about ratings and I agree. The O.J. trial was hyped to the stars and the media will take advantage of Obama's Presidency. Any who says anything against him will be called a raciest. Racism gets peoples attention and bumps up ratings. Remember when Marion Berry, the mayor of the capitol of the United states got caught on film smoking crack? It wasn't his fault, it was because the man was trying to bring down any successful black man. Berry was later reelected to the position of Mayor of Washington D.C.

 

Bush had a rough time as president. The 911 attacks and hurricane Catrina would have destroyed any presidency but neither can be blamed on him. he cant control the weather any more that he can hold the office of president and leader of the Al Qaeda but people seem to want to blame him for both events.

 

As far as presidents go Bush is in the lowest area of the scale. He was a lousy president but we should still respect that he did the job for eight years when the entire country as well as leaders from other nations hated and disrespected him.

 

Ford was also hated he was cast as an idiot in the media. It seemed that you couldn't turn on the news without seeing Gerald Ford falling down the stairs while disembarking from Air force one or sliding in cow crap when he visited a ranch. In my own opinion Ford did more damage to this country than any other president and he was only president for two years.

 

I began posting on this thread because of what I was seeing here on the nexus, people who spoke out against Obama have been insulted, flamed and banned for their opinions and if that can happen on the Nexus, think of what this country is headed toward. The entire purpose of my posts have been to offer another side for people to look at. I don't post to force my opinions or beliefs on anyone. I just hope that people will see beyond taking offense at a comment and consider the possibility that other people may know something.

 

I don't expect anyone to agree with me. I only expect that we respect others who may not agree with our own beliefs but when people come here and attack my intelligence or cast insults my way, I know I am expecting too much.

[myrmaad]

It's true. I definitely see things differently from you. I'll not debate your right to see things the way you do. I'll just remind you that Reagan served two terms.

 

HWBush demonstrated to many of us who look with eyes like mine that he was an untrustworthy liar. Reagan was the last Republican I ever voted for. Things will have to dramatically change in that party for me to ever vote for them again. They do not seem to model after Reagan these days, in fact I think WBush modeled much more closely to Nixon, whose covert actions abroad I find unforgivable.

 

I did like Clinton, in spite of himself, because it was very nice for me to have a president who was eloquent, in office. That's a big deal for me, personally. I do not approve of everything he did, and I do not approve of the things the republicans did while he was the president either. They were all particularly bad behaved. The Balkans and Rwanda were particularly great and unforgivable disappointments of his presidency, for me.

 

I was happy to see McCain in the republican race for the nomination as the 90s came to a close, I would have supported him, had he won the presidency fairly. It's my strongly held belief that WBush did not win the election, and Gore will forever be my president, with WBush a bought and paid for selection who I knew would be a complete atrocity as a president before he "TOOK" office.

 

No amount of anyone's attempts to convince me have changed my mind about this in 9 years. I read James Hatfield's book Fortunate Son in the 90s. I read "Boy Genius" about Karl Rove, and I read every interview I ever got my hands on about Rove. I know he idolizes Mark Hanna, and knowing history as I do, I detest the entire gilded age in America's history, and the robber barons that polluted that time, while the people headed west in a futile attempt to find a better life. That recession was very close to the Great Depression, but people have short memories and short attention spans, and then they take the liberty to assume they know why other people think the way they do, and often assume ignorance when that isn't the problem at all.

 

It's not ignorance that makes people have different political views, I believe. It's life experiences. My experience is valid, and so is yours for you. That's why I don't waste my time trying to convince others to my way of political thinking. As well as the primary motivation, that I'm not in the least interested in being convinced of someone else's. Now. This is my moment, and this is as close in my lifetime I've gotten to getting my political way. I've put up with "yours" and I didn't like it, not through Reagan, not through HWBush, not through Clinton, who kowtowed waaaay too often and was far too much to the middle for my taste. And I suffered every single day through WBush. I bore his presidency like a devastating stomach ache the whole 9 years from the moment it seemed like he had a vague chance to win, through his Supreme Court gift of a presidency he never won, through his predictable invasion of Iraq, and through the Orange Red and Yellow fear mongering *expletives deleted and a deep breath taken*.

 

I don't really care who doesn't like it. Finally I get my way for a change, "And Justice For All".

[Gligamesh]

You surely put quite a bit of stock in the propaganda media machine.

C-Span is nice, if you like watching a group of thugs who do not represent you, and work instead for their monied interests.

 

A major wrong with this country is our congress has ceded the power to an institution they do not control (The Federal Reserve, its decisions do not have to be ratified by the President or anyone else in the executive or legislative branch of government) to print our cash and mint our coin. The appearance of control over the Fed is there, the reality is something entirely different.

 

The rate we are allowing these idiots to print money that doesn't exist to give to their banker buddies who should fail, just like every other failed business in America is going to send inflation through the roof. What's the Fed's stated purpose again? Price stability? Look how well that's worked out. Prices were relatively stable until it's inception. Now, our money is worth nothing. It's backed by nothing but hopes and dreams and puppies and lolipops. Prices swing violently one way or the other. Your wages however, are relatively stable. The Fed has failed miserably at it's stated purpose, so why do we continue to endure it's stench among our brothers and sisters?

 

Lowering interest rates draws people into a debtor's trap. Printing monopoly money to throw at problems that could be solved by actually producing tangible products that have ACTUAL VALUE makes everyone all the poorer and solves nothing.

 

The hyperinflation that will result from these stimulus and bailout plans are going to put us directly into that cute little depression we've been talking about.

Wheee!

[myrmaad]

You surely put quite a bit of stock in the propaganda media machine.

C-Span is nice, if you like watching a group of thugs who do not represent you, and work instead for their monied interests.

 

And you're delusional if you don't understand that the best way to actually know what's going on, is to watch for yourself, instead of being told what happened. I don't need a commentator or an armchair quarterback, I prefer to decide what's going on for myself. Yeah, I like to see watch what they're up to. What do you think your opinions are going to contribute to changing what you're unhappy with? You're just going to sit around and bellyache? Or arm yourself with actual facts and fight from inside the system where real change can happen quickly.

[exanimis]

I believe that there was a time when we could arm ourselves against our country and fight from the inside with knowledge and understanding but I also believe that that time is long gone. To me the president is nothing more than a face in the crowd. He is the one standing out front to draw attention away from those who really run the country. The big corporations that make huge "donations" to campaigns give themselves say so in decisions that our government was set up to handle. Today you can try to get a group together to fight against our government but before you raise the ranks to ten, one of your members will be a spy. Call me pessimistic, call me paranoid but to me things like Republican vs Democrat, White vs Black, Abortionists vs anti-abortionists, Protestant vs Catholic all serve one purpose, to divide and conquer. As long as we Americans bicker among ourselves, we will not be able to stand against an oppressive government.

 

I'll be fifty years old in April. The only president I ever liked was Reagen, Yeah, I did like him. I have seen this country go downhill. I have seen our troops come home to crowds of people throwing bags of crap. I have seen the worlds view of America go from a nation of heroes to a nation of heathens and warmongers. There have been advancements toward the good but they were few and far between. Obama isn't the first black president because the blacks rose up and fought against oppression. Obama is the first black president because blacks and whites stood hand in hand and fought against an oppressive and unjust society.

 

History is filled with lies and propaganda. The emancipation proclamation didn't free the slaves, it freed the slaves in the states that rose up against the union. It freed the slave in the south. The south had their own capitol, their own government and president. They had their own country and Lincoln freeing the slaves in the south was equal to Bush saying that no one in Mexico can own a car. The underground railroad is remembered for it's efforts to free the slaves but look it up on the net and you will see that all the safe houses where in the north. Slaves were not smuggled out of the south, they were smuggled through the north where slavery remained in effect for forty years after the signing of the The emancipation proclamation.

 

My hope is that people will stop bickering about everything and stand hand in hand, that we as a society can put the past behind us and once again be the country that so many brave soldiers gave their lives for. My hope is that the world will one day see this as the great nation that it was meant to be and could someday be. My fear is that we will all do as we are told, we will continue to separate ourselves from anyone who's opinion doesn't agree with ours and we will argue amongst ourselves. That the American public will remain separated and allow a government that is out of control to destroy this once great nation.

 

I hope that I don't live long enough to see the future that I fear come to pass. I hope to not see our economy collapse, to see another great depression. I hope that this country never knows the problems that caused the collapse and break up of Russia into many smaller countries but I fear I may. I may see a new American civil war or world war three. But I can always hold out hope.

[aggressivepassivist]

Lol, i love all the comments about moose hunting. i agree moose hunting with a sharpened stick would level out the playing fields a bit, and frankly sounds like fun. yall should try cow hunting with a penny, now thats a challenge.

 

In all seriousness, Obama the 44th president, just glad i didnt say Bush the 44th-60th president. I'm glad Obama got elected, he seems to really want to change things in this country. Which we need very soon. The only regret about Obama becoming President now is the fact that if he is unable to atleast get things moving in a better direction with the economy and 50 other problems, is that going to turn out to be an issue on certain levels. Frankly, right now is not a good time to be the man... hehehe. I'm just worried that if things dont get better, atleast by the time he leaves office in 4 or 8 years, will it be looked back as nothing got fixed because of his skin.

 

All in all i just hope that his actions, changes, successes, and failures aren't looked at in a racial way. The news media jumps on that kind of stuff, proven through out the elections. However, Fox news MSNBC, and the rest are the last place i would go for political news. They pick a side and try to win a debate rather than just report what is really happening.

 

Obama tell them to shut up and get back to work, and no offense to anyone but i could care less what the Obama kids are having for lunch....hehehe the most rediculous thing ive seen in the news for years, and thats saying a lot given the past 8 years was about a guy named Bush. So Obama wish you luck and success, for you, for me, and for all of America.

[madmax747]

I am very glad that President Obama couldn't not be president because of his race. How is that for eloquence lol. I agree with myrmaad about the previous presidency. Particularly about eloquence and W's lack of it. Right now it looks to me as if our part of the world is a little more wacked than usual. Before the election I heard many people that sounded like they would like something for no effort on their part and that they thought Barrack Obama would be more than happy to give it to them. I expected irrational exuberance in the wake of his election. I would have to say I have not seen much of it other than the media. This trend towards cranking up the siege engines and heaving trillion dollar wads of money at all of our financial foes and woes is disturbing. It does not seem to make much difference who is in office or what party they represent. If that money can go towards repairing our crumbling infrastructure and helping our economy I am all for it. It would also be a good idea to get some more people trained to participate in that. But seriously, cut the fat. No more than is necessary for flavor. So I guess I am in agreement with Gilgamesh on those points, especially the Monopoly money part.

 

The word and the will!