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Update: (Sorry I havent answered everyones questions yet I have been playing around with animations, I promise I will try to answer everyones comments as soon as I can) Currently I have done some reweighting (Not a ton just enough to make a difference in smoothness of animation) I am also working on replacing the walking animations as we speak. I completed a test animation however it seems that there is an issue with zooming out (It either plays the default animation or its ignoring the breast animation) I will release a 2.3 version soon with the new weights. Also I will be releasing animation packs as I replace a bunch of the animations. I will keep you all updated!

Lol I know right? Now I can have some fun hehe.

!! Version 2.2 is now available! Grab it and have fun! Its on the first page of this thread !!

Things that may be fixed: -Looks like the Breast melting on NPC death will be fixed. (Found some transition data that would leap to zero on raggdoll death, This needs some further testing) -I have to do some more havok file editing in order to hopefully get the Butt working properly with the Elf Races. (Hopefully I wont have to ditch the Butt effort) -Working some small Automatic movement to the Pre Breast bones. This will allow a small amount of automatic movement with animations and movement. I still have to decide if this will hit the final version. (!!Big thanks to Twiggy for the LagBone effect research and implementation!!) -Elf Race crash will be fixed. (The butt is proving an issue and hopefully i can edit the havok files enough to include it for the elf Race, If not I might have to take the butt out all together.) -Orc female uses male animations so they do not have physics, However because I am applying the bones and havok edits to the male and female bones then you can animate the Breasts and butt and there will be no effect on the male characters as their mesh doesnt have anything weighted to those new bones, so Orc females WILL have Physics! Things that may not be able to be corrected until the Developer Content Pack release: -Some minor animation glitches which include (None of them have any effect on gameplay as you still hit/block/etc its just the animations that do not play): --Sneaking and holding a 2 handed weapon holds it in one hand. --Casting spells and sneaking doesnt cause your hands to animate. --Running and blocking raises your sword but does not play the shield block animation (But yes you still block and you will hear the block sound) Not animated related: -Butt weighting on mesh causes elf race to crash now (I am going to try really hard to see if I can fix this as the Breasts are working in my tests now, but if I cant get it then I may have to shelve it until the CK) -Seam issues have creeped up again, I will be adjusting the arms, legs and neck to fit the Vanilla mesh again after I complete my other testing. But this will need to be tested as well. -First person (while nude) sometimes shows your breasts, while some people might think this is a bonus, it was unintended, which means that something needs to be corrected to either leave this feature in the right way, or remove it (whichever is more stable). Thats it, that my list of things to do. I hope to have a new release with the bug fixes by this weekend. I will let everyone know! But now its 4:00AM and I have been working on this all night almost into the sunrise. Goodnight all, look for an update soon!

Hmmmmmm, I might be getting somewhere I was able to successfully export a scene without crashing on the elf race this time. Not going to cheer yet though because it seems to be working ................. So far. I will keep everyone updated.

Well I even tried to weight paint only the breasts in Blender and the Elf race crashing (Using blender was sort of my last hope lol. No idea what you are doing that you can even paint the Breasts without a crash. I cant seem to replicate a success in any way shape or form and I have been at this for days. Would you be able to weight paint the breasts really well and export it? I can always try the butt at a later date as long as theres a point of no crashing and the Bust moves. You would help ease my pain lol. (Side Note: What does your modifier stack look like? Either that or our save file of the one that worked so I can see that?)

Well the butt bone is for rotations not for position animation. So rotate instead of using the move tool.

So you cant weight the butt without the elves crashing? I cant weight any of it without it crashing lol. I just done know what the difference is. *Buries her head in her hands*

oh hmmm I import the custom skeleton too with the mesh. Do you import the skeleton separate to weight paint the bone?

In the Downloads section of my CHSBHC mod: http://www.skyrimnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=4888 Theres an optional download that has no physics (The two femalebody files are before the new weight painting) You can take those files and add the weight paint to the areas and see if it works for you. I think its incredibly odd I can weight paint the armor and the elf race wears it fine without crashing lol. Arrrggg so frustrating and yet the answer is probably right in front of my face. What settings do you import with? Maybe I am reimporting the mesh you weighted that works wrong and then exporting it wrong?

its just really strange, in 3Ds max I can select 1 vert and apply 100% L Breast weight and export it and it still crashes on elf races. I then weight painted with just the L Breast bone (Not on paint blend weights mode) and same thing. Errrrgggg pay for upgrade time?

Ahhhh ok I'm using the 3.7.1 version of the plugin. I forgot about the weld option, I have always left that on default. I wonder if its really welding a vert and causing an issue.. I wonder if I should upgrade my 3dsmax version.

Looking through the weight tables, I dont understand why my weight painting isnt working properly. I will have to try to figure this out more. Very strange I even copied your weight painting into the modified mesh I had, when I exported it, it crashed on Elf races ..... Edit: AHA! Theres something wrong with me exporting it from 3ds Max. I imported your file into 3ds max (I knew it worked before that) then exported it without any changes and boom it crashes the on the elf races. Did you use nif exporter? if so which version and what 3d application are you using?

Modders are slowly converting armors and clothing. So you will have to keep your eyes open. Twiggy and I are looking into automated Breast movement in the meantime and seeing if thats an options that looks good enough. Twiggy already found some Lagg bones that dont provide breast bounce but do give a sort of flowy effect. The Lagg bone would be amazing for Hair or Pieces on armor that need to flow etc. So I might look into reboning something for hair possibly. But thats a later project hehe.

Ok I will look at your file tonight. I tested a weight only to the Breast area last night and it still crashed. The thing I dont understand is the other races work why would weighting crash the Elf classes? So I will check the Weight tables also. If this fixes it I will have to hug you hehe.

Going to take a break for a night and relax my brain. If anyone has any ideas or help im up for any ideas or help as usual. I will dig into it more tomorrow night.

Its not the weights. It works fine if elf races are not nude. There is a havok dependency that gets broken adding a bone. A few of the havok files I'm unable to import nor decompile. I am guessing those files wont be available until the content creator. I'm still trying but I will provide an update and writeup tonight. Let me clarify what i mean by the weights are bad. The vertex weights inside yours nif files you created are bad. Femalebody_1.nif and Femalebody_0.nif vertex weights don't seem to work with the elven races. The reason when people aren't nude everything works fine its because they aren't using vertex weights from Femalebody files. And i have tested this by re-weighting the original CBBE file with your breast bones and all the races work perfectly fine for me. I've also notice that some of your vertex inside your files are weighted to four different bones. Which is a lot compared to normal vanilla meshes i've looked at that usual have less than three. If your not even willing to check this out I will say no more about it. I don't want to waste yours time. I'm just trying to help. Right but I vertex weight them in 3ds max and I did the same thing for the dbarmor. What part of the weights are bad? I usually paint with combination weighting in 3ds max. Hmmmmmmm Maybe I will try painting with simple 1 bone painting then. I tried weight painting the Vanilla mesh with the new bones and that crashed on me too. Maybe you can explain to me what you did that had the weights working on the CBBE mesh? This mesh is the CBBE mesh just modified. Perhaps you can send me the .nif files of the CBBE mesh you reweighted that works with my bones so I can see what you did?

hehe no its ok. Have you seen the animations while standing and casting working? I only have seen animations for spells while sneaking going wonky.

You need to use Version 2.1 to play the beastraces. Its on the dowload page.

Its not the weights. It works fine if elf races are not nude. There is a havok dependency that gets broken adding a bone. A few of the havok files I'm unable to import nor decompile. I am guessing those files wont be available until the content creator. I'm still trying but I will provide an update and writeup tonight.

Use as you wish. Its why I included the max file and instructions etc

Haha yes you were one of a few people that inspired me. Thank you

Sure Twiggy did you apply it to my existing bone rigg? Also yes I would love to look at this. can you put a little readme on what you changed? Pretty please? Depending on how well this works, might use it instead. Or give people the option.

Thank you, I am still scrabbling through the files trying to fix the High Elf and Wood elf. Its proving to be very very difficult. I will keep at it though

yes it has the havok setup that requires the havok plugin for 3dsmax.