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I'm 1.11.15... I ought to give it a bash. I wouldn't dream of complaining or offering 'bug reports' because I couldn't be sure what was a bug and what was caused by the pile of chairs my game is sitting on... However, the fact that those of us on Linux can run Vortex at all says quite a bit about the software! I do hope one day you'll be able to support Linux gamers officially but actually I don't mind the fallout from updating when I choose to do it... I just don't like things being imposed on me which is likely why I run Linux in the first place! :laugh: Thanks! Solved!

I don't let Vortex auto up-date as I'm running it on Linux and I like to be in control of what happens... however, Vortex says that very old versions will be locked out of network features... so how far can I lag behind? On Linux auto update sometimes works ok but sometimes it destabilises the whole caboodle and I have to reinstall. I prefer to do this at a time of my own choosing which is why I don't auto update... Just curious - I know Vortex isn't written for Linux so the fact I can run it at all is nice! :cool:

Can you run Vortex via a program that allows you to run Windows apps? Just curious... been years and years and years and years since I used a Mac PC... Lutris will allow Vortex to run but it's best to steer clear of auto-updates... which is a bit sad... I can understand why a Mac/Linux version isn't a priority but I still hope that one day it will arrive...

I would not spec or sign off (and especially not pay for) a piece of software that had data that was held in two or more places because syncing is so hard. It's just asking for trouble... It's much easier to access and change a single instance. Vortex certainly 'knows' what has been added to the game inside the game and vice versa. As shumkar has said we've had extensive and various conversations over coupling and the impression I have is that Vortex has been engineered as we'd expect. Of course, if a Vortex developer tells me that isn't the case then I would be very interested in hearing their explanations for designing software like that... OK it isn't safety critical but even so why build in the possibility of failure? As for NMM - no idea how it works. I could stick it on a **spare** machine here but I have no idea if Lutris or Wine would be able to run it...

I'd say it is more likely that if he could not find anything, we would see a new search system implemented in no time. :wink: rofl! @Striker879 - no! I can see that something like that would make me design half a dozen user studies before breakfast!

I'm pretty certain that the Mod Manager and Bethesda are sharing a single data source. Maybe staff can confirm? It could only mess it up if they weren't. If it's built so that there are two sources of the same data then that isn't good practice. We've had that discussion about coupling elsewhere. In any case he has 2 mods... if they're ticked then the game thinks they're active and something else is causing LAL not to start... If he had a zillion mods then I'd advise against using Bethesda's method as it's sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo annoying...

No, of course it didn't! :laugh: I've just been looking at how I've set up search and I realise that part of the issue really is that it's using tags... And if different people are adding them they won't always mean the same thing... I seem to be filtering put a lot by adding a block on 'unrealistic'... I see what you mean about 'hovering' over names... It reminds me of a formicarium...

Felix3939 - go to the game and launch, choose play, but then choose MODS and Load Order... Don't continue or start a game. If they're ticked then they're active. If not tick 'em and see what happens... If you've tried this then ignore me. I like the obvious, simple solutions first...

Sounds good! Had a quick look. I'll put it on the list!

The things is with search - it's a bit like help. To use help you need to know what help you need and the terms that will be used. But in fact the people who need help don't know what the things are called. The heaviest users of help turn out to be experts using help on the behalf of everyone else. So maybe search is the same. The people who need to search can't find what they're looking for because they don't know how to look for it and the people who are looking know where it is anyway... I suspect that you and I have now backed ourselves into a philosophical corner... :laugh: Anyway, Nexus won't be the only site whose internal search isn't as reliable as the-one-I-will-not-name... And just think how much fun we'll have when/if they make changes to it. There will be zillions of users who can't find anything, zillions who liked it better the way it was, zillions who don't like anything anyway, half a zillion who could build a better one, several zillion who say: What search? And the handful of Linux users who say: No worries, I built my own script... :devil: Re: constantly using search - perhaps he uses it a lot because *he* can't find anything either... :whistling:

I think your analysis that it is no longer a priority is correct! It explains a lot! And it isn't the easiest OS in the world to install. Re 'stability' agreed but as I no longer use a computer for anything other than fun and if I'm using the 'spare' to experiment in any case, I don't think that's a concern. You're right - it isn't as if there's a problem over finding alternatives! :laugh: Thanks for the insights! @shumkar - Agreed! There is always generous help!

Search is hard to do... at least Nexus doesn't sell its soul to the devil and all of my data as well... :laugh: Sorry - the G word always sets me off along with the MS word and the two A words... :ohmy: But I have noticed recently that when I set up my global preferences I must have done something a lot odder than I was trying to do because several obviously incredibly innocuous mods have now been filtered out by my search criteria! :laugh: I think I've done the equivalent to setting my PEGI to about 4 years old...All I was trying to avoid was seeing too many people fighting dragons in what looks to be underwear... I just worry for them... and would rather not know what other people are subjecting their hero/heroine or their followers to :laugh:

Yeah, in recent years the number of bells and whistles in Linux has increased. Where is the good old black terminal? I have to configure it myself :laugh: @shumkar - 'the resident Linux expert' has just said the same thing! I forgot to add how helpful the Linux community is and how kind with newbies. Some have gone off and written scripts for people who were struggling with old printers etc etc. The more awkward something is - the better they seem to like it. :laugh:

I like your list. :happy: There's some I must try. I'd add The Dark which is kind of well dark! And very lonely. It's more of a puzzle quest. But some of that made me jump out of my seat... fiskin1 ported Jokerine's The Mystery of Icebound Crypt to SSE. It's a small quest but quite harrowing and surprising.

Hi shumkar - Thanks for that reminder! Yes, my husband has explained about how easy it is to take my desktop and profile with me. But the spare PC has nothing on it except the OS so it doesn't matter on one level though perhaps I should do it to see how the process works! I have spent my entire life backing up carefully but the one time I really needed backups I hadn't been careful at all (as I explained somewhere else) and I lost the lot! So even on my main machine there's not much to backup. It'd fit on an old fashioned floppy disk! :laugh: What impresses me most about Linux - apart from how fast it is - is how stable it is. It's very very very difficult to break. I haven't actually ever achieved a crash even with a game though I did resort to a reboot before my husband explained how to bring up a terminal and 'kill' a process. Even that is rare now. I did find the paths very complex to start with but now I mostly open a terminal in the appropriate folder so I don't have to worry about paths so much! I was also puzzled by the lack of drives as I've spent so much time putting things on C: or D: drive and as you know Linux doesn't 'see' things like that. I have a suspicion that people think that Linux is a black background terminal with green text! My desktop is extremely elegant and uncluttered but everything I need is very easy to reach. Even the terminal windows harmonise with the rest and are semi transparent so I can read text below while typing into a window... It's so impressive!

Thanks everyone. That was very very useful! As the spare PC is sitting here not earning its keep I think what I'll do is try a different distro every month! That way, I'll see different ones and hopefully I'll learn stuff along the way. We've decided that rather than buying the Linux mag when we see it, we'll take out a subscription so I can use whatever new flavours come along! My husband has seconded Fedora - it's what he used for years but for some reason he shifted to Ubuntu... At the moment the spare is running Mint and Cinnamon - I really like it though it isn't as elegant as Ubuntu and Gnome. I do like Gnome - it's very attractive. I have run puppy Linux on an extremely old lap top and that was great fun and extremely fast! But I think trying some others on the spare is a good idea. And I don't have to worry about backing stuff up because there's nothing to backup! Win! Win! Win! Thanks again!!! :cool:

Not quite! I do have two PCs side by side (I'd actually forgotten about the other one until recently even though it is on my desk! :ohmy:) It uses a half size keyboard and a very small monitor. The other is larger and I use it for gaming and heating my study. I do get out and do things BTW... I play a musical instrument, weave, braid, grow tomatoes, make paper etc etc and I'm a pretty good cook ; so don't go thinking I'm here with cold pizza and a can of beer... :laugh: But the reality is, having given up Windows I'm really interested in the different distros. My husband buys a Linux magazine which comes with loads and loads of distros and I feel that we ought to try out as many as we can! :geek:

Thanks! That's useful. I have a spare machine currently running Mint and Cinnamon and I have toyed with trying Steam on that. But the reality is I quite like Mint and Cinnamon - sufficiently different from Ubuntu and Gnome so as to be interesting but not so different that I can't find anything! Thank you for the insights!

Survival mods can really change the game. I went from someone who collected everything to sell to being desperate to find if bandits had some food! I'm a vegetarian and I play the same in game so it was really hard! Forget the ebony sword - give me your apple pie! :laugh: I use Vortex and I run it on Linux as my sig says and I'm very impressed with it. I've done software development and I know when to be in awe... :whistling:

A long shot and I know I'm being obvious but... you have gone to the data files on the Morrowind start up menu and made sure things are properly selected there? I've made that mistake!!! Spent ages trying to find a watchman who wasn't actually installed... :wallbash:

I remember those icons... :laugh: On Steam there's a Linux user group (I think I found it thanks to you). Anyway, one of the tabs is 'Artwork'... I wondered what Linux users would consider artwork... They have a picture of Darth Vader and: 'Come over to the dark side...' :laugh:

MrRectangle - I'm on the same journey. Played Morrowind when it first came out and decided to have another go but this time via Steam on a Linux box. I've used Vortex to install some carefully chosen mods but I've come to the conclusion that either I manually install (I remember that!) or I play it as it was!!! I have also added a mod at a time, sometimes simply playing the game for a mod which I then remove and return to an earlier save... It's kind of 'pretend' gaming... :laugh: For Linux there's Open Morrowind but it requires the data files (in other words you have to own the game). I can run that without issue using Steam's version of the game but again - unmodded. I haven't tried messing about with the actual disks - I have no idea what the Linux box will say to that one! I truly admire what HadtoRegister has done but I couldn't do that now... I'm scared about how much life I have left! So I tend to muddle through and hope for the best! :whistling:

I'm glad the bosses are in the past! :happy: I'm sorry we couldn't deliver better news for you! Anyway, I'd be interested in seeing whether you stick with NMM or Vortex. :cool:

That'll teach me to be more careful over topic titles... :laugh:

IronFistDragon - This is a very interesting scenario. The simple answer is that having two (or more) separate lists of data would be bad software engineering because the game wouldn't know which one to 'listen' to. Imagine that you worked for two people and they could both tell you what to do for each hour of the day without consulting each other or you... However, if there is a single piece of paper that your two bosses write on and you can then read that then you'd know what to do. Whether you use NMM or Vortex is up to you - as you've got both installed you're in a unique position to compare them!