CTD in various areas across the Commonwealth

[Toxixs70]

I'm CTDing in various areas around the map on a new save. No new mods have been introduced since I've made this save, and I've been experiencing all kinds of issues on it. The most recent ones that've been hexing me is CTDing in the 3 warehouses in Good-neighbor (Typically when any kind of fire particle effect is involved), in Saugus Ironworks' blast furnace room (Where you face-off against Slag), and going anywhere near Concord, typically past the dead Brahmin being fed off of by two Bloodbug hatchlings.

Here's my load order:

0 0 Fallout4.esm

1 1 DLCRobot.esm

2 2 DLCworkshop01.esm

3 3 DLCCoast.esm

4 4 DLCworkshop02.esm

5 5 DLCworkshop03.esm

6 6 DLCNukaWorld.esm

254 FE 0 ccbgsfo4001-pipboy(black).esl

254 FE 1 ccbgsfo4002-pipboy(blue).esl

254 FE 2 ccbgsfo4004-pipboy(camo02).esl

254 FE 3 ccbgsfo4006-pipboy(chrome).esl

254 FE 4 ccbgsfo4014-pipboy(white).esl

254 FE 5 ccbgsfo4005-bluecamo.esl

254 FE 6 ccbgsfo4018-gaussrifleprototype.esl

254 FE 7 ccbgsfo4020-powerarmorskin(black).esl

254 FE 8 ccbgsfo4023-powerarmorskin(camo02).esl

254 FE 9 ccbgsfo4025-powerarmorskin(chrome).esl

254 FE a ccbgsfo4033-powerarmorskinwhite.esl

254 FE b ccbgsfo4024-pacamo03.esl

254 FE c ccbgsfo4038-horsearmor.esl

254 FE d ccbgsfo4044-hellfirepowerarmor.esl

254 FE e ccfsvfo4001-modularmilitarybackpack.esl

254 FE f ccfrsfo4001-handmadeshotgun.esl

254 FE 10 cceejfo4001-decorationpack.esl

254 FE 11 ccgcafo4001-factionws01army.esl

254 FE 12 ccgcafo4002-factionws02acat.esl

254 FE 13 ccgcafo4003-factionws03bos.esl

254 FE 14 ccgcafo4004-factionws04gun.esl

254 FE 15 ccgcafo4005-factionws05hrpink.esl

254 FE 16 ccgcafo4006-factionws06hrshark.esl

254 FE 17 ccgcafo4008-factionws08inst.esl

254 FE 18 ccgcafo4009-factionws09mm.esl

254 FE 19 ccgcafo4010-factionws10rr.esl

254 FE 1a ccgcafo4011-factionws11vt.esl

254 FE 1b ccgcafo4012-factionas01acat.esl

254 FE 1c ccgcafo4013-factionas02bos.esl

254 FE 1d ccgcafo4014-factionas03gun.esl

254 FE 1e ccgcafo4015-factionas04hrpink.esl

254 FE 1f ccgcafo4016-factionas05hrshark.esl

254 FE 20 ccgcafo4017-factionas06inst.esl

254 FE 21 ccgcafo4018-factionas07mm.esl

254 FE 22 ccgcafo4019-factionas08nuk.esl

254 FE 23 ccgcafo4020-factionas09rr.esl

254 FE 24 ccgcafo4021-factionas10hrflames.esl

254 FE 25 ccgcafo4022-factionas11vt.esl

254 FE 26 ccgcafo4023-factionas12army.esl

254 FE 27 ccawnfo4001-brandedattire.esl

254 FE 28 ccswkfo4002-pipnuka.esl

254 FE 29 ccswkfo4003-pipquan.esl

254 FE 2a ccbgsfo4050-dgbcoll.esl

254 FE 2b ccbgsfo4056-dglabb.esl

254 FE 2c ccbgsfo4036-trnsdg.esl

254 FE 2d ccrzrfo4004-pipinst.esl

254 FE 2e ccbgsfo4062-pippat.esl

254 FE 2f ccrzrfo4003-pipover.esl

254 FE 30 ccfrsfo4002-antimaterielrifle.esl

254 FE 31 ccygpfo4001-pipcruiser.esl

254 FE 32 ccbgsfo4073-pipmman.esl

254 FE 33 ccbgsfo4075-pipshroud.esl

254 FE 34 ccbgsfo4077-piprocket.esl

254 FE 35 ccbgsfo4015-pipyell.esl

254 FE 36 ccbgsfo4009-piporan.esl

254 FE 37 ccbgsfo4021-powerarmorskinblue.esl

254 FE 38 ccbgsfo4034-powerarmorskinyellow.esl

254 FE 39 ccbgsfo4028-powerarmorskinorange.esl

254 FE 3a ccbgsfo4032-powerarmorskintan.esl

254 FE 3b ccgrcfo4001-pipgreytort.esl

254 FE 3c ccbgsfo4013-piptan.esl

7 7 cczsef04001-bhouse.esm

254 FE 3d cckgjfo4001-bastion.esl

254 FE 3e ccbgsfo4063-papat.esl

254 FE 3f ccqdrfo4001_powerarmorai.esl

254 FE 40 ccbgsfo4115-x02.esl

254 FE 41 ccbgsfo4116-heavyflamer.esl

254 FE 42 ccbgsfo4103-as_tunnelsnakes.esl

254 FE 43 ccbgsfo4099-as_reillysrangers.esl

254 FE 44 ccbgsfo4098-as_pickman.esl

254 FE 45 ccbgsfo4096-as_enclave.esl

254 FE 46 ccbgsfo4095-as_childrenofatom.esl

254 FE 47 ccacxfo4001-vsuit.esl

254 FE 48 ccbgsfo4040-vrworkshop01.esl

254 FE 49 ccfsvfo4005-vrdesertisland.esl

254 FE 4a ccfsvfo4006-vrwasteland.esl

8 8 cctosfo4002_neonflats.esm

254 FE 4b ccfsvfo4004-vrworkshopgnrplaza.esl

254 FE 4c ccbgsfo4046-tescan.esl

254 FE 4d ccgcafo4025-pagunmm.esl

254 FE 4e cccrsfo4001-pipcoa.esl

9 9 Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp

254 FE 4f CWRaiders.esl

10 a SpringCleaning.esm

11 b ArmorKeywords.esm

12 c NAC.esm

13 d WorkshopFramework.esm

14 e SimSettlements.esm

15 f FCOM.esm

254 FE 50 SSTWorkshopPowerPack.esl

16 10 Damage Threshold.esm

17 11 OVT.esp

18 12 More Power Armour Mods.esp

19 13 Consistent Power Armor Overhaul.esp

20 14 SC_ExpandedScrapList.esp

21 15 UltraInteriorLighting.esp

22 16 Stm_DiamondCityExpansion.esp

23 17 Rustbelt Flora.esp

24 18 SilentProtagonist.esp

25 19 SilentProtagonist_DiamondCityExpansion.esp

26 1a SilentProtagonist_StartMeUp.esp

27 1b Killable Children.esp

28 1c BostonFPSFixAutomatron.esp

29 1d CombatZoneRestored.esp

30 1e America Rising - A Tale of the Enclave.esp

31 1f UltraInteriorLighting_DarkerAmbience.esp

32 20 Fusion Cells are Batteries - Main - Automatron.esp

33 21 Weapon gore tweaks.esp

34 22 W.A.T.Minutemen.esp

35 23 SpringCleaningCompatibilityPatch.esp

36 24 Eli_Faction Housing Overhaul - Institute.esp

37 25 Eli_Faction Housing Overhaul - The Castle.esp

38 26 IMG_Castle_Wall_Patches.esp

39 27 detailedferalghouls.esp

40 28 45autoPistol.esp

41 29 GreaseGunSMG.esp

42 2a MilitarizedMinutemen.esp

43 2b FCaB - Reduced Ammo - Quest Reward and World Loot.esp

44 2c 9mmPistol.esp

254 FE 51 CROSS_InstituteExpeditionarySuit.esp

254 FE 52 CROSS_MojaveManhunter.esp

254 FE 53 CROSS_CoA.esp

45 2d Nexus_PMC.esp

46 2e PMC_extended.esp

47 2f Brotherhood of Steel Kit.esp

48 30 ArmorKeywords-Paint.esp

49 31 dD-Action Ragdoll Force.esp

50 32 dD-Reduced Explosion Force.esp

51 33 Combat_Helmet_Illumination 1.2.esp

254 FE 54 CROSS_BrotherhoodRecon.esp

52 34 BostonFPSFixFarHarbor.esp

53 35 BostonFPSFix-NukaWorld.esp

54 36 AWKCR - Mod Power Armor Engine Glitch Fix.esp

55 37 More Power Armour Mods - Automatron.esp

56 38 cc-hellfire-mpam.esp

254 FE 55 AnimatedIngestibles.esp

254 FE 56 AnimatedInjestibles_RobotFix.esp

57 39 AnimChemRedux.esp

58 3a AnimatedRadaway.esp

59 3b NAC-FarHarbor.esp

60 3c NAC-NukaWorld.esp

61 3d Hunter of the Commonwealth.esp

62 3e F4NVServiceRifleRedux.esp

63 3f WattzLaserGun.esp

64 40 AdvancedNeeds2.esp

65 41 ClassicSniper.esp

66 42 ECV_RemnantUniform.esp

67 43 RU556.esp

68 44 EnclaveUniform.esp

69 45 DP_CaravanShotgun.esp

70 46 SigSauer127.esp

71 47 HuntingShotgun.esp

72 48 ClassicSniperSounds.esp

73 49 FCOM.esp

254 FE 57 CROSS_BreakActionLaser.esp

254 FE 58 CROSS_CourserStrigidae.esp

74 4a MiscOutfitPackv2.esp

75 4b AdvancedNeeds2_Patch_DLC.esp

76 4c Campsite.esp

77 4d AdvancedNeeds2_Patch_Campsite.esp

DISABLED - NewCalibers_AssaultCarbine_v307.esp

DISABLED - NewCalibers_HuntingShotgun_v307.esp

DISABLED -NewCalibers_AntiMaterialRifle.esp

DISABLED -NewCalibers_GreaseGun_v307.esp

78 4e FCOM-CCIncinerator.esp

79 4f FCOM-CCX02.esp

80 50 FCOM-CCHellfire.esp

81 51 FCOM-NieroCoA.esp

82 52 FCOM-NieroIEX.esp

83 53 AdvancedNeeds2_Expansion_04_MestrualCycle.esp

84 54 FCOM-RemnantOfficerUniform.esp

85 55 Lever Action Reload Fix.esp

86 56 MK_Agony_non Survival.esp

87 57 AdvancedNeeds2_Patch_Agony(Non-Survival).esp

88 58 Realisticbullets-DLC.esp

89 59 WorkshopPlus.esp

90 5a Vault-Tec Workshop Overhaul.esp

91 5b F4NVServiceRifleRedux127mmPatch.esp

92 5c K9TacticalHarness.esp

93 5d Better LOD.esp

94 5e CMPA +250.esp

95 5f Hellfirenew.esp

96 60 EnclaveX02.esp

97 61 Arbitration - Better Combat AI.esp

98 62 Arbitration - Reduced Grenade Spam.esp

99 63 Arbitration - Farther Grenade Detection.esp

100 64 Arbitration - Stealth Overhaul.esp

101 65 Arbitration - Sneak Detection Distance Increase (Half).esp

102 66 Arbitration - Fall Damage Overhaul.esp

103 67 Arbitration - Compass Radar Reduction.esp

104 68 Arbitration - Molotov.esp

105 69 Arbitration - No Condition Regeneration.esp

106 6a StayInCover.esp

107 6b Arbitration - Automatron AI.esp

108 6c Brotherhood Power Armor Overhaul.esp

109 6d Impervious Power Armour.esp

110 6e Impervious Power Armour - Automatron.esp

111 6f EnclaveX02 - Impervious Compatibility.esp

112 70 Hellfirenew - Impervious Compatibility.esp

113 71 Arbitration-IPA Patch.esp

114 72 VR_LOD_Workaround.esp

115 73 LongerPowerLines3x.esp

116 74 BPAO - Impervious Power Armour.esp

117 75 AutomatronSecuritron.esp

118 76 th1nkEyebot.esp

119 77 th1nkEyeBot-FarHarbor.esp

120 78 th1nkEyeBot-NukaWorld.esp

121 79 th1nkEyeBot-DLC03DLC04Addon.esp

122 7a GR001-AutomatronRebooted.esp

123 7b Live Action Handy Pre-War.esp

124 7c Turm.esp

125 7d TurmSpieler5.esp

126 7e TurmSpieler10.esp

127 7f TurmFeind5.esp

128 80 RU556Armouryprojectv3.esp

129 81 Galac-TactREDUX.esp

130 82 M60.esp

131 83 TacticalCourser_Standalone.esp

132 84 TacticalCourser.esp

133 85 X03INST.esp

254 FE 59 CCQuest2Misc-AllInOne.esp

134 86 Armorsmith Extended.esp

135 87 Classic Combat Armor.esp

136 88 Armorsmith Combat Helmet Illumination 1.2.esp

137 89 NAC-AE Patch.esp

138 8a Mercenary.esp

139 8b Synth Overhaul.esp

140 8c Synth Overhaul - No level requirements Patch.esp

141 8d Mercenary_TexEdits.esp

142 8e StartMeUp.esp

143 8f StartMeUpNukaWorldPatch.esp

144 90 StartMeUpFarHarborPatch.esp


I'm aware this is more than likely indicative of a bad save, but I wanted to try and troubleshoot with you guys before I scuttlebutt the entire thing.

Thanks

[LarannKiar]

It sounds like a mod issue. Did you try disabling some of your mods?

[aurreth]

It's the menstrual cycle one, definitely :laugh: And killable children? You monster!

 

Ok, for real:

 

Spring Cleaning should go last in your mod order. Any scrapping mod should go last because of how they function, by breaking precombines to one extent or another (even if they claim they don't). You want them doing that after everything else is loaded.

 

You have at least two in there that are "FPS fixes", and at least one for LOD. Those are going to cause stability issues by changing, and therefore stressing, the graphics engine. I'd start by disabling those and seeing if it fixes anything. If it does, re-enable one at a time until you figure out which is causing the crash.

 

That's all I really see for now, give it a shot and let me know what happens.

[monesq]

My first thought, and I am not an expert modder, but I can safely state that I am an expert and creating havoc when I try to mod (but without mistakes, how can we learn?) I would normally look at the mods that are similar to what you described as a CTD associated with a fire particle effect because those effects may have an impact on your graphics performance, which i turn is being impacted by broken precombines, etc. The stresses on the game engine and your graphics card may be the culprit. I do agree with the prior poster that any scrap mod should go at the bottom of your load order, but I would add that I would not be using Spring Cleaning. That mod has not been updated for 5 years. If you are going to scrap using a mod, I would recommend Scrap Everything. The problems you are having in Concord may be due to the load order of the scrapping mod you have.

 

Good luck.

[aurreth]

My first thought, and I am not an expert modder, but I can safely state that I am an expert and creating havoc when I try to mod (but without mistakes, how can we learn?) I would normally look at the mods that are similar to what you described as a CTD associated with a fire particle effect because those effects may have an impact on your graphics performance, which i turn is being impacted by broken precombines, etc. The stresses on the game engine and your graphics card may be the culprit. I do agree with the prior poster that any scrap mod should go at the bottom of your load order, but I would add that I would not be using Spring Cleaning. That mod has not been updated for 5 years. If you are going to scrap using a mod, I would recommend Scrap Everything. The problems you are having in Concord may be due to the load order of the scrapping mod you have.

 

Good luck.

 

I agree, use Scrap Everything (and load it last.)

 

I thought about particle effects, but didn't really see anything in the mod list that struck me as messing with those. Maybe the grenade and molotov mods?

Edited May 23, 2021 by aurreth