I need help with my Load order Loot on Vortex seems to be making it worse...

[ArrowDuke]

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Any ideas on how to sort this mess???

[monesq]

I don't know if you just don't post a lot or are new to the game. Also, you have not stated what exactly happening in your game. Is it just never loading up, or does it crash at certain times. This is crucial info to include in your request.

 

If you are new to modding, your list is huge. You have to start small and build up. By starting small and then adding mods, you can see if that newly added mod is causing a conflict. You can check conflicts using xEdit but that takes knowledge, knowledge that is readily available on YouTube is you have the time and patience. Before installing a mod, see where the mod author want you to place the mod in the load order.

 

I noticed that you have AAF. I believe AAF needs to be low in your mod order and animations need to be placed in a certain way in your load order. Also, I did not notice that you have installed Zaz extended Skeleton. If you are adult mods, that mod needs to be installed, again in a certain order. With each mod you are adding figure out what that mod is going to do and install those mods together and decide which mod will come after which, the mod that loads last wins the conflict fight which is not always bad as long as you prefer the changes made by the conflict winner.

 

There are several guides to help with load order and optimization. Here are just a few:

 

https://themidnightride.github.io/index.html

https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/23556 (there is an updated version on Discord)

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2242115007 (another great guide)

 

An alternative to doing it with xEdit is to simply cut out 1/2 of your mods (make sure that the mods you disable are not dependent on other mods in your load order) then start the game. Run with it a bit to see if it CTDs or runs fine. If it CTD's then the troubled mod is still in your load order, if not, then you have a list of potential candidates. This is not by far foolproof because it could be that non of your mods are really breaking your game, but your load order is. I would not rely solely on Vortex and I would not run Loot's sorting as that is part of Vortex. When you know you have a stable load order, definitely do not sort it with Loot. Loot can tell you if a file is dirty etc., but I think Vortex will now do that also.

 

My advice, check out the three sites/guides above as well as the updated guide on Discord. If these are not to your liking, just add a few mods at a time and when Vortex give you a message that there is a conflict, figure out which mod you want to be loaded after the other mod based on what the mod author stated you need to do, or based on what you know the mod is changing in your game.

 

If you are an experienced modder, then my apologies for this lengthy response.

 

When I started modding Skyrim SE, I would just add whatever mod I wanted without thinking, I would just allow Vortex to decide what went where in the load order (unless it would not give me any suggestions and then I just guessed). I have learned to mod by making a ton of mistakes and I still make them.

 

Good luck.

[ArrowDuke]

Sorry for the lack of details I know the order I need them in and I've made them work before it's just a matter of getting Vortex to put them in the order I want. I used to manually add them myself and just wanted to try Vortex to sort them but, I can't seem to get Manage Groups to work properly. I've done huge load orders like this before no issue, it's just tedious to do them manually and since I can't figure out the Manage Groups option ,I have to drag and drop then use the edit function to tell them where to load which is just as slow if not slower than doing it manually. Long story short I need help on how to properly use the manage groups function and the videos I've found don't seem to help so far.

Edited May 26, 2021 by ArrowDuke

[aurreth]

Sorry for the lack of details I know the order I need them in and I've made them work before it's just a matter of getting Vortex to put them in the order I want. I used to manually add them myself and just wanted to try Vortex to sort them but, I can't seem to get Manage Groups to work properly. I've done huge load orders like this before no issue, it's just tedious to do them manually and since I can't figure out the Manage Groups option ,I have to drag and drop then use the edit function to tell them where to load which is just as slow if not slower than doing it manually. Long story short I need help on how to properly use the manage groups function and the videos I've found don't seem to help so far.

 

Unfortunately Vortex is very much "we know better than you so f*#@ off" when it comes to load order. It also for some idiotic reason uses that strange map interface instead of a sortable list for managing groups, and then pretty much won't let you redraw the lines linking the groups.

 

So, in Vortex, on the Plugins page, at the top there is a dropdown for Tutorials. I just watched the one on LOOT Groups and it is pretty straight forward on how to assign mods to groups, and how to adjust which groups load when. Note that there are certain built in groups and rules that can't be changed. Again with the "we know better than you so f*#@ off".