LOOT renders the game very difficult to start

[diosoth]

I had to copy my entire game install and lost the load order since it' snot stored in the game or saves folder. I had to use LOOT to set it up and the game is insanely difficult to start up since then. It will often crash before the menu, tending to take 2-6 attempts before it will actually load to menu. I suspect LOOT did more damage than good here, the load order isn't working right. I need help fixing it. Current LOOT order-

 

0 0 Skyrim.esm
1 1 Update.esm
2 2 Dawnguard.esm
3 3 HearthFires.esm
4 4 Dragonborn.esm
5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp
6 6 BSAssets.esm
7 7 BSHeartland.esm
8 8 arnima.esm
9 9 BS_DLC_patch.esp
10 a Midwood Isle.esp
11 b Coldhaven.esm
hdtHighHeel.esm
Heels Sound.esm
12 c UndergroundBathhouse.esm
13 d Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp
14 e HighResTexturePack01.esp
15 f HighResTexturePack02.esp
16 10 HighResTexturePack03.esp
17 11 Cutting Room Floor.esp
18 12 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
19 13 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
20 14 Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp
21 15 LegacyoftheDragonborn.esp
22 16 Armor Weight Adjustment.esp
23 17 Weapon Weight Adjustment.esp
24 18 CastleVolkiharImmersive.esp
25 19 Civil War Aftermath.esp
26 1a Helgen Reborn.esp
27 1b Immersive Weapons.esp
28 1c Improved Adoptions MERGED.esp
29 1d Solstheim - The Lost Levels.esp
30 1e the room.esp
31 1f MoonAndStar_MAS.esp
32 20 RZ_MaraQuest.esp
33 21 Destroy the Thieves Guild (2).esp
34 22 Destroy the Thieves Guild.esp
35 23 Civil War Repairs.esp
36 24 Better Vampire NPCs.esp
37 25 Clockwork.esp
38 26 Items Weight Adjustment.esp
39 27 JK's Winterhold.esp
40 28 Afterlife.esp
41 29 escutcheonredwave.esp
42 2a More Interesting Loot for Skyrim.esp
43 2b DBM_MIL+OAP_Patch.esp
44 2c Serana Dialogue Edit.esp
45 2d SeranaDialogAddon.esp
46 2e Run For Your Lives.esp
47 2f THGF.esp
48 30 Red Flame.esp
49 31 YellowKing.esp
50 32 AdalMatar.esp
51 33 DBM_IWIA_Patch.esp
52 34 QaxeWinterholdRebuild.esp
53 35 HFDecorativeDolls.esp
54 36 MiraakFollower.esp
55 37 ogFalkreathHauntings.esp
56 38 KillMaven.esp
57 39 TheAmazingWorldOfBikiniArmor.esp
58 3a BadGremlinsJarHunt.esp
59 3b BGtheCapturedFairies.esp
60 3c Better Vampire Weapons.esp
61 3d mihailcurseddoll.esp
62 3e The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
63 3f DrunkenDragon.esp
64 40 DestroyTheBrotherhood2.esp
65 41 mihaildremoraarmor.esp
66 42 Vampire Skin Color Fix.esp
67 43 Dawnguard&VolkiharArtifactsQuests.esp
68 44 BVLT - Human.esp
69 45 Miraak_DialoguePatch.esp
70 46 SDA_SDE Patch.esp
71 47 Marriable Serana.esp
72 48 TES Arena Bikini.esp
73 49 My Home Is Your Home.esp
74 4a RosaFollower.esp
75 4b AK- Boethiah Alternate.esp
76 4c AlwaysPickUpBooks.esp
77 4d AMatterOfTime.esp
78 4e Auto Unequip Ammo.esp
79 4f BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp
80 50 Better Vampires.esp
81 51 BSHeartland - Meshes.esp
82 52 BSHeartland - Textures.esp
83 53 CalienteVanillaArmorTweaks.esp
84 54 CCFTNWGG.esp
85 55 chfshPlayerVoicesets.esp
86 56 Civil War Cleanup.esp
87 57 ColdhavenArms.esp
88 58 CoverYourHead.esp
89 59 CraftableBloodPotions.esp
90 5a CrimeDecay.esp
91 5b CrossbowsRevamped.esp
92 5c Custom Family Home.esp
93 5d DawnguardDarkAlly.esp
94 5e DawnguardDelayedStart50.esp
95 5f HouseOfHorrorsAlternateEnding.esp
96 60 DBM_HouseofHorrorsAlternate_Patch.esp
97 61 dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
98 62 Disband the Thieves Guild DB patch.esp
99 63 DragonPlateBrazen.esp
100 64 SkyUI.esp
101 65 DVA - Dynamic Vampire Appearance.esp
102 66 Eight Slots for Enchanting vanilla.esp
103 67 EK_RingLimiter.esp
104 68 Extended Encounters.esp
105 69 Six Beautiful Followers Standalone.esp
106 6a Follower_Xenobia.esp
107 6b Game Poisons Patch.esp
108 6c NARC.esp
109 6d HireableHousecarlHearth.esp
110 6e ImmersiveLoversComfort.esp
111 6f Improved Dragon Shouts - Dawnguard.esp
112 70 Improved Dragon Shouts.esp
113 71 Improved Dragon Shouts - Dragonborn.esp
114 72 JaxonzEnhGrab.esp
115 73 JaxonzRenamer.esp
116 74 KillVelehkGetTreasure.esp
117 75 LPBards.esp
118 76 Lucretia.esp
119 77 mihailmudcrabmerchant.esp
120 78 mihailtoxindoctoroutfit.esp
121 79 MiraakFollowerReincarnation.esp
122 7a MoreHeartsAndFlesh.esp
123 7b MRQFTGG.esp
124 7c No Forcegreet When Invisible.esp
125 7d RespectfulGuardsByFiorinz.esp
126 7e NRQFTGG.esp
127 7f NTRQFTGG.esp
128 80 PC Head Tracking - MCM.esp
129 81 PC Head Tracking - Patch.esp
130 82 Pickaxe & Woodcutter Axe Adjustment.esp
131 83 RaceMenu.esp
132 84 RaceMenuPlugin.esp
133 85 Realistic crime report radius.esp
134 86 SameWalkRunSpeedsLite.esp
135 87 sandboxcylinderheight.esp
136 88 SimpleOutfitManager.esp
137 89 Skyrim XP Addon.esp
138 8a SleepTight.esp
139 8b StahlrimCrossbow.esp
140 8c TTR_Ziil_Los_Dii_Du.esp
141 8d ub_npc_rework.esp
142 8e UD_Serana.esp
143 8f Uncapped Perks - Combat + Stealth.esp
144 90 Uncapped Perks - Magic.esp
145 91 Valerica_Follower.esp
146 92 Wintermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp
147 93 WNQFTGG.esp

[HadToRegister]

Why do you have TWO Destroy the Thieves Guild.esps?

There should only be one.

[diosoth]

Why do you have TWO Destroy the Thieves Guild.esps?

 

There should only be one.

 

 

No, they are two separate files. In fact the thing wouldn't even work without the second file. Though it looks like LOOT is placing #2 before the initial file.

[HadToRegister]

 

Why do you have TWO Destroy the Thieves Guild.esps?

 

There should only be one.

 

 

No, they are two separate files. In fact the thing wouldn't even work without the second file. Though it looks like LOOT is placing #2 before the initial file.

 

 

 

Where did you download them.

Because one is a patch that should OVERWRITE the original one

 

Even the mod has no "Destroy the thieves guild (2).esp"

 

There's an optional ESP FIX, and that is supposed to OVERWRITE the original one, I don't know of ANY mod that has TWO Esps

 

Give me the urls where you downloaded Thieves guild.esp and Thieves guild (2).esp

 

Also, please show me the instructions where you rename one ESP to "Thieves Guild (2).esp" and use BOTH Esps

[IsharaMeradin]

Wrye Bash has a feature where you can look at your save files and it will list all the plugins and their order for the selected save file. You could use that to re-order your plugins into as close of an order as possible.

[HadToRegister]

Wrye Bash has a feature where you can look at your save files and it will list all the plugins and their order for the selected save file. You could use that to re-order your plugins into as close of an order as possible.

 

Wrye Bash isn't going to fix the fact that this person is insisting on renaming the esp patch and adding a (2) to it, and running BOTH Esps, instead of overwriting the old esp with the patch esp.

 

This is WHY LOOT isn't sorting them properly, because it has no idea on how to sort a duplicate of the SAME esp, that's been renamed.

So it's trying it's best to put the newest version (Which should be overwriting the original ESP) first.

[IsharaMeradin]

 

Wrye Bash has a feature where you can look at your save files and it will list all the plugins and their order for the selected save file. You could use that to re-order your plugins into as close of an order as possible.

 

Wrye Bash isn't going to fix the fact that this person is insisting on renaming the esp patch and adding a (2) to it, and running BOTH Esps, instead of overwriting the old esp with the patch esp.

 

This is WHY LOOT isn't sorting them properly, because it has no idea on how to sort a duplicate of the SAME esp, that's been renamed.

So it's trying it's best to put the newest version (Which should be overwriting the original ESP) first.

 

No it won't. Never said it would. Just pointed out that they can use it to see what order the save file expects the plugins to be in.

[diosoth]

Since I need to clarify this specific mod issue... from the mod download page-

 

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/28880?tab=files

 

"Destroy the Thieves Guild BSA version" - main file

 

"Destroy the Thieves Guild esp fix" - second file to fix bugs in the mod to make quests work

 

Both worked fine together in my game before using LOOT.

 

 

I installed Wrye Bash. I have very old save files on this playthrough. There's an option(right click) that allows you to set your current load order to what's in any specific save file chosen. Got the game to boot on first start.

Edited October 28, 2021 by diosoth

[HadToRegister]

Since I need to clarify this specific mod issue... from the mod download page-

 

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/28880?tab=files

 

"Destroy the Thieves Guild BSA version" - main file

 

"Destroy the Thieves Guild esp fix" - second file to fix bugs in the mod to make quests work

 

Both worked fine together in my game before using LOOT.

 

 

I installed Wrye Bash. I have very old save files on this playthrough. There's an option(right click) that allows you to set your current load order to what's in any specific save file chosen. Got the game to boot on first start.

 

 

What you're not understanding is the ESP FIX is supposed to OVERWRITE the Original ESP, it's not meant to be used along with the original ESP.

That's why the ESP inside the archive, HAS THE SAME NAME, in order to overwrite the old ESP.

That's what PATCH or FIX means.

 

This is how I'd do it with my mods to save people from downloading the entire mod again, I would just post the updated ESP, so people cold download it, and OVERWRITE the original ESP.

 

If you look inside each archive you will see that the original ESP and the UPDATED ESP, are both 254.8kb

 

If the other ESP was a patch, it would be a different size, instead, like numerous other mod pages is just an update to the ESP that is intended to overwrite the old ESP because a small thing was changed in the new esp.

 

He named the Webpage Entry Thieves Guild FIx, so people wouldn't constantly ask "What the other ESP for?", but the ESP is named "Destroy the Thieves Guild.esp" in order to overwrite the old one.

It doesn't matter that the ENTRY on the mod page says "Thieves Guild Fix" it's what the FILES inside that archive are named.

 

That's why YOU renamed the ESP, because it would've overwrote the original ESP (like it was supposed t9o) but instead, you made sure it didn't, and instead are incorrectly two esps when only the FIX esp is needed.