Religion

[Switch]

/me shakes his head.

 

Alright, lets say that I have 2 apples and 2 oranges in a bag, and I reach into the bag and pull one, the odds are even that I will pull a apple or an orange. Now lets say I put the orange back, and add two apples, and then I reach in again to make a grab. The odds now are not even that I will grab an orange. I will, more than likely, grab an apple.

 

In essence, thats what I meant by 'statistically speaking' in my previous posts. C'mon people, its obvious humor. Laugh a little.

yeah ok... obvious... of course... *laughs and slowly edges out the door with a worried look on his face*

 

:P

[SothThe69th]

/me takes away Reapers Matrix tape.

[The_Reaper]

/me takes away Reapers Matrix tape.

LOL :lol:

 

 

But it´s still true! Think about it a little :blink:

Were begining to resemble a plague, people!

 

 

ps: It´s no a tape it´s a dvd :lol: :D I just watched it 24 times it´s nothing! <_< :huh:

[Switch]

/me takes away Reapers Matrix tape.

LOL :lol:

 

 

But it´s still true! Think about it a little :blink:

Were begining to resemble a plague, people!

er not really, the virus has spread, we alrdy populate all sorts of places over the globe and last time i checked we're not building any new cities or towns...

 

and theres still large protected areas of the world we're not allowed to populate by law

 

anyways!! this is starting to verge a tad OT dontcha think? :P

[The_Reaper]

/me takes away Reapers Matrix tape.

LOL :lol:

 

 

But it´s still true! Think about it a little :blink:

Were begining to resemble a plague, people!

er not really, the virus has spread, we alrdy populate all sorts of places over the globe and last time i checked we're not building any new cities or towns...

 

and theres still large protected areas of the world we're not allowed to populate by law

 

anyways!! this is starting to verge a tad OT dontcha think? :P

Right, but the cities are increasing in size!

Last time i cheked São Paulo had more people than my country!! :huh: :blink:

[Dark0ne]

Think you'll find there have been more deaths on this planet than are currently alive - unless I've missed the point here ;)

 

I'd like to go back to FlyingFox's post:

 

Religion does not explain everday things.

 

Well, in my opinion it does TRY to - but fails miserably in several areas.

 

The Bible says that God created the universe and Earth and beasts and Man in six days, and on the seventh He rested. This is not inteded to explain how many days are in a week, or how the universe was created. It is inteded to provide meaningful symbols for us to interpret and understand the basis of the religion.

 

Uh huh. If you were a christian 500 years a go you wouldn't have thought that at all. You'd have believed it to the bone. You'd have believed the universe was created in 6 days, and God rested on the seventh. Its only since some bright spark came up with the big-bang theory that Christianity has had to reform its ideas (as it always does when something else comes along to disprove it) and decide "Oh yes, thats just symbolic, don't worry about that!".

 

I think its stupid that Christian's can kid themselves into thinking "oh yea, thats a symbol" - heck, if you had tried explaining this to the courts 500 years a go you'd more than likely have been sentenced to death for blasphemy. So, one must ask themselves - who's kidding who?

 

Man needs (and you maay argue with me about this) two basic relationships. One with other humans and one with god(s)

 

I'd argue differently - I'd say man needs fellow man, and then leaders. Now, man from an early age decided their leader would be a God, and that sparked off as the "in thing". Look at governments, look at the army, look at common businesses. They all have several ranks with several different figureheads.

[FlyingFox]

Uh huh. If you were a christian 500 years a go you wouldn't have thought that at all. You'd have believed it to the bone. You'd have believed the universe was created in 6 days, and God rested on the seventh. Its only since some bright spark came up with the big-bang theory that Christianity has had to reform its ideas (as it always does when something else comes along to disprove it) and decide "Oh yes, thats just symbolic, don't worry about that!".

 

Yes, I agree that religion has changed drastically in the past few centuries. One can truly see the shift, during post-Scientific Revolution times. One may ask, why are major religions all produced by the ancients (meaning Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Islam, Hinduism, etc. (Buddhism and Islam being founded before the Scientific revolution))? The answer (from a Jungian philosophical approach, as it is he whom I have studied mostly) is that ancient man was more in-tuned to his subconscious and unconscious self than modern man is.

 

Mythology (religion) is the intermediate phase between dreams (unconscious) and realities (conscious thought). Thus, when one has a deeper understanding of the unconscious, one can better portray religious symbols. After the Scientific Revolution, Man shifted more towards the conscious side of the spectrum, and lost his ability, if you will, to "create" and even identify with mythological symbols and stories.

 

As for the notion that the ancients wrote religion as realities, not symbolism, one can see that the ancients, would "think" or percieve their stories to be realities, but being so, where actually dreams/unconscious thought, being more in-tuned to their unconcious. Not that the ancients were "stupid" but they were simply more unconscious in their thought.

 

I'd argue differently - I'd say man needs fellow man, and then leaders. Now, man from an early age decided their leader would be a God, and that sparked off as the "in thing". Look at governments, look at the army, look at common businesses. They all have several ranks with several different figureheads.

 

Again, this goes back to fear. I quote Switch:

 

lol i know u'll die eventually. duh. no-ones immortal (yet ) but im just glad i have a religion, i'd go nuts in a week if i thought that when i eventually die i'd just be thrown into a deep black nothingness... and not even being aware im there  its wierd just to think about it lol

 

Even today (no offense to Switch), people need that relationship with God to sustain themselves. Without God, Man would go insane with fear, and thus the human race could not exist. Man needs God, and God needs Man. without that relationship, neither can exist.

[OddGuy]

wow... this is REALLY making my head hurt, and I have an IQ of 146. :blink:

[Dark0ne]

Even today (no offense to Switch), people need that relationship with God to sustain themselves. Without God, Man would go insane with fear, and thus the human race could not exist. Man needs God, and God needs Man. without that relationship, neither can exist.

 

I'd argue we're moving away from this. No offense, but I've lived perfectfly fine since I left my religion - I accept when I die, I die and thats that. I'm not scared, its a natural progession through the timeline.

 

I'm not going insane with fear - so to say that "Man needs god otherwise we'd go insane" is ludicrous. IMO thats only relevant to the exploitative church days when peasants were told to work, else they'd lead an eternal life of damnation in hell - not to present day. Religion is the opium of the people, as Karl Marx would say.

[Switch]

neways this discussion is getting waaaay beyond me, im no philosopher and im certainly not really into christianity yet, so i'll probably avoid saying anything more :P but i do agree that perhaps some people do join the religion to avoid being afraid of death.