Do Aliens Exist: The Great Debate

[JimboUK]

Its been tested in small scale in nasa lab, they have actually made it work in lab form.

http://io9.com/5963263/how-nasa-will-build-its-very-first-warp-drive

 

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/09/19/matt-gurney-nasa-doesnt-just-think-warp-drive-is-possible-theyre-working-on-it/

We already have a deflector shield that works.

 

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/159971-scientists-produce-star-trek-like-deflector-device-for-cancer-free-interplanetary-travel

 

With the deflector shield the warp bubble would be free to go, considering the warp field attracts particles at light speed, this would prevent such a thing from forming around the warp field. :geek: :geek:

 

Probably one reason why they haven't tested it out on the field yet, until the deflector shield gets a green light.

 

 

I think hes covering something up, he wouldn't let the host speak :ermm:

 

Creating a field in a lab and having a functioning starship are two very different things, also that shield is to protect the craft and occupants, it will not stop energy building up. I'm not saying we won't be able to overcome these problems but I doubt very much they'll be overcome in our lifetime.

[HeyYou]

Do aliens exist? Yes.

 

Have they visited earth? Maybe.

 

Are they in collusion with any earth governments? No.

[Lisnpuppy]

Anyone that is voting I believe you can vote for more than one option? Now there are additional. Thanks for adding Thor.

[Ironman5000]

There is always the theory that 'aliens' are trans-dimensional beings and don't actually visit through spacecraft but instead are actually here and can shift into our dimension as they please. Similar to this is the theory that they access to wormhole creation technology which also allows them to through space without the need for spacecraft.

 

I had a book a while ago which went into more detail but that was years ago and not sure if I still have it, there's (simplified) info out there on the internet if you want to know about it.

Edited August 19, 2013 by Ironman5000

[bben46]

This is my own opinion and should not be taken as some manifest of what others should believe. :blush:

1. Is it possible that aliens exist - yes - possible covers a lot of ground.

2. Is it probable that aliens exist - based on the Fermi/Drake equations - again yes - read the articles to see

3. Is it possible that aliens have visited the Earth at some time - near or ancient? - Again yes, possible covers a lot of ground

4. Is it probable that aliens have visited the earth at some time - not really - again look at the Fermi/Drake stuff. These guys were real scientists and were very open minded.

 

5. Is it reasonable that ancient aliens taught our ancestors new techniques on how to build with stone? - Not really, The techniques currently believed by archeologists for building an Egyptian, Mayan, or Chinese pyramid vary by quite a bit. If they were being taught by outsiders they would all be built using the same techniques.

 

6. Is a picture (actually an artists rendering based on a sonar image and not even a real photo ) of an undersea unknown object somehow prove that aliens were here? - Not at all. It just shows there is something down there that is unusual - and needs to be investigated more to figure out what it is ( whether an alien space ship, natural outcropping, or something man made that was lost there - possibly from a ship sunk in the area.)

 

I have seen a lot of the ancient aliens stuff - from Von Daniken on. I think I read 4 or 5 of his books. - and it's fun to see this stuff and speculate- but so far ALMOST every thing I have seen can be explained without bringing in aliens. And on applying Ockham's razor - the aliens come off second best every time. :cool:

[QQuix]

Yes . . . Von Daniken triggered it in 1968 ! (Chariots of the Gods?)

 

Almost half of a century of the most informed era of mankind and not much changed.

 

It must mean something in this discussion . . .

[Vagrant0]

 

I do not expect you, or anybody, to believe what I have written but hopefully just to question various easy assumptions such as projecting human logic onto something that is outside of that.

 

The supposed 'logical answer' that you have given has already been challenged by a series of theories (not facts!) that I have found or have worked out myself.

 

The ETs are not of one species but are various species.

 

The ETs have been adapting themselves to our world, going through a process of forced evolution using very advanced technologies, so as to try to enhance their chances of survival here; encounters have often been with prototype bodies that often failed.

 

Their actual world might, for instance, be one in which they dwell in some kinds of liquid that supports their bodies, including the heads, which could explain the false looking 'puppet like' movements of the head.

 

One interesting idea was that both ETs, and their flying-saucers, can not actually be picked up with any human form of human technological recording because they are here, but not totally here, being out of phase. Our brains can adjust input of data so that we actually see something solid but cameras can not do so; we partly see the truth but also 'create it'. In such case the actual recorded events may have all been altered to give some idea of what had taken place for archives, superiors, colleques etc. This would explain a 'fake' look of any alien. This would also explain why people see flying saucers but camera recordings only show blurry, undefined shapes.

 

The ETs are not humans so human logic simply may not not fit with them.

 

Please only positive responses!

 

 

If the bodies were prototype, soap bubble and all that, then they would be looking more human as time goes on, not less. Instead representations are falling closer and closer to Hollywood representations.

 

Fluidic environment doesn't account for the lack of muscle twitch or other evidence of organic structures. It also wouldn't explain why they would leave that environment in an unsuited body just to peek through someone's window.

 

The quantum reality argument (things are shaped by the perspective of those who look at it) is just too convenient here. While, yes, what our eyes see and what our brain interprets may not always match, there is still some measure of consistency once the brain has enough of a framework to utilize. In regards to video images though, there is no evidence to support this idea, and is clearly discounted when looking through a number of "official" images where the geometry of those objects or figures is clearly defined.

 

 

Even if there were as many as a dozen or so species, there would be definable traits associated with those species that would set them apart from eachother. Instead what we see is some re-occuring themes within almost every report, but everything else is different. To give it an analog, consider bird species. Even from a blurred photograph you can usually identify a species of bird based on its collection of specific traits, or group them into families because there are clear definitions between those species... However if you ask someone to draw or model a bird, what you get is usually a generalized representation which may be a collection of traits from any number of species depending on how how well defined that individuals definition of a bird is. We see the same sort of thing happening here, where a shown alien being has only a vague similarity to other alien beings shown before or since. The most reasonable reason as to why each instance looks to be manufactured to fit the definitions of an individual or group, is probably because each instance is manufactured as people try to create more believable hoaxes for fame and fortune.

[Lisnpuppy]

Most people report seeing the typical "grey" aliens or some variation of the theme. This description can actually be linked all the way back to HG Wells and then more-so after the Roswell Incident. The book "Communion" I think really got it into the communal conscientiousness.

 

This hasn't been mentioned much but as far as eye witness reports and memory and hypnosis goes. Memory is a wacky thing. Memories are far easier planted/changed than one would imagine (scarily so) and we all have seen how unreliable eye witness memory is. Those that can be hypnotized show just how susceptible they are to suggestion anyway...making false memories all the more likely. I am not saying it is done on purpose or they are lying...just that it can happen.

 

Even things like weak electromagnetic fields can effect what we experience. Like the "God Helmet" and I even saw an article about people that experience night paralysis/alien abduction where they feel fully awake and can't move...there is a dark malevolent presence in the room or over top them. I had this happen to me many, many times. When I saw the article that proposed this may happen from weak fields even from clocks and radios I moved my alarm clock/radio away from my nightstand...it never happened again. So who knows. Folks experience things for many reasons and they truly believe what they say...but that doesn't mean that is what it is.

[Vagrant0]

Even things like weak electromagnetic fields can effect what we experience. Like the "God Helmet" and I even saw an article about people that experience night paralysis/alien abduction where they feel fully awake and can't move...there is a dark malevolent presence in the room or over top them. I had this happen to me many, many times. When I saw the article that proposed this may happen from weak fields even from clocks and radios I moved my alarm clock/radio away from my nightstand...it never happened again. So who knows. Folks experience things for many reasons and they truly believe what they say...but that doesn't mean that is what it is.

Also attributed to succubi, incubi, vampires, and any number of similar creatures. It is a common thing among all cultures and commonly present in the folklore. However, being attributed to aliens (including accounts of what happened) only occurred in modern times. Sleep paralysis itself is a natural phenomenon that is caused by being partially woken in a stage between REM sleep, where movement becomes blocked by the brain in order to prevent damage to the body during REM sleep. The feelings of malevolence come from the panic from being unable to move, the confusion of being woken up, and whatever lingering sentiments might exist from what you were dreaming about. Nevermind the part where you usually have to actually be awake for several minutes before you have any memory of being awake due to how short term memory works.

[brokenergy]

Look, there is no hard evidence of intellectual lifeforms to exist... yet. But we know that there is a chance that life such as ours can exist and that chance is so small it's like trying to find a small, coloured bead in a middle of a ocean. It get's worse when we are trying to find some that is smarter and more advance than us. We know that bacteria can live in extreme location and they can thrive, so chances are that yes there is alien lifeforms out there but most will be those under a microscope. Sorry Thor.