Indoril Nerevar Posted March 9, 2005 Share Posted March 9, 2005 Oh, and don't forget to denounce and damn to hell nature (or if you don't believe in nature, god), for all the miscarriages, and failures of the embryo to implant, and all the many other things that can go wrong during a pregnancy :rolleyes: It's always so refreshing to get the opinion of the completely ignorant.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> excuse me, but is this you're reply? If it is, I think it constitutes "Flaming" just a little side not. :wink2: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThetaOrionis01 Posted March 9, 2005 Share Posted March 9, 2005 Your opinion betrays ignorance of the subject at hand, by using a non-relevant bit of scientific information as an argument, and claiming moral superiority from that. You are obviously not a woman, and quite probably not of an age where you can have any idea of what childbearing entails. From your post it is evident that you do not know what you are talking about - your opinion is uninformed. So I think rather than flaming, my post constitutes fair comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indoril Nerevar Posted March 9, 2005 Share Posted March 9, 2005 Can moderators give each other warnings. or can we "commoners" give a request to give moderators warnings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Switch Posted March 9, 2005 Share Posted March 9, 2005 Nope. You could express your concerns to the admin, if you wanted. Either way, this thread is going OT. Please make another thread or PM us if you want to continue this discussion, thanks. ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zmid Posted March 9, 2005 Share Posted March 9, 2005 First of all I would like to ask how many chromosomes does it take to make a human? If you say 46 then you're right. That is how scientists genetically separate humans from any other species on earth. How man Chromosomes does a fetis have in its DNA? 46!!!! Wait, if it takes 46 to make human, then that means that that fetis is not just a bunch of tissue floating around ; however, it makes it human. So that must mean, that docters kill babies before they get out of the womb. Right, so that's ALL humans are? A collection of chromosomes? Does that also mean that people who have certain genetic disorders are not human? I would suggest the answers to the above are no and no. I blame not God for miscarriges. I blame him for nothing. What happens NATURALLY happens. it is no one's fault. And who's in charge of nature, according to Christian beliefs? God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine Posted March 10, 2005 Share Posted March 10, 2005 First of all I would like to ask how many chromosomes does it take to make a human? If you say 46 then you're right. That is how scientists genetically separate humans from any other species on earth. How man Chromosomes does a fetis have in its DNA? 46!!!! Wait, if it takes 46 to make human, then that means that that fetis is not just a bunch of tissue floating around ; however, it makes it human. So that must mean, that docters kill babies before they get out of the womb. SHAME ON ALL OF YOU WOMEN WHO HAVE ABORTIONS, AND SHAME UPON THE MEN WHO THINK IT RIGHT!!!!!! Are you trying for the "most illiterate debater" award here? If you're going to argue against abortions, at least make an argument that makes sense. Or did you fail to realize what your claim really means? Did you know that a human heart also has 46 chromosomes? So if you have a heart attack and need a transplant to save your life, that would be murder and illegal. Your heart has the same rights as a full human. Oh, did I forget to mention that a dead human has 46 chromosomes as well? Guess we'd better give them full rights as well. What? You mean you got a minor cut and wiped off a drop of blood? MURDERER! Guess you'll be spending the rest of your short life in prison, since those blood cells you killed also have 46 chromosomes and are just as human as you are. --------------------------------------- You are obviously not a woman, and quite probably not of an age where you can have any idea of what childbearing entails. I'll agree with you on him having no idea what he's talking about, but how is this relevant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramul Posted March 10, 2005 Share Posted March 10, 2005 Technical note: Red blood cells have no chromosomes, therefor cannot be considered "human blood", so "human blood" cannot be red. This does not follow. Of course, if people showed a little self control, abortion wouldn't even be an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThetaOrionis01 Posted March 10, 2005 Share Posted March 10, 2005 You are obviously not a woman, and quite probably not of an age where you can have any idea of what childbearing entails. I'll agree with you on him having no idea what he's talking about, but how is this relevant?<{POST_SNAPBACK}> IMO, it is very relevant to the topic at hand. I don't subscribe to the notion that every opinion, however ill- or uninformed, is equally valid - IMO only an informed opinion counts - everything else is rumour, hearsay, superstition etc. Abortion is an incredibly complex topic, and to be able to form an informed opinion requires at least some understanding of the psychological, physiological, emotional, physical and, unfortunate but true, also financial implications of pregnancy and raising children. How can you form such an opinion when you have never been pregnant, or been close to someone who is pregnant - and by close, I mean a partner or a very good friend you know so well that you can tell the differences caused by pregnancy, that you can empathise with them. If you have never even been in a situation where pregnancy is a possibility, and abortion is something that you or are partner might have to consider, then again, are you qualified to judge others who are? @ Abramul: Of course, if people showed a little self control, abortion wouldn't even be an issue. Sex is an important part of a loving relationship, and contraception isn't always 100% reliable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indoril Nerevar Posted March 10, 2005 Share Posted March 10, 2005 "Right, so that's ALL humans are? A collection of chromosomes? Does that also mean that people who have certain genetic disorders are not human? I would suggest the answers to the above are no and no." Genetically speaking, yes. That is basically all we are when you break it down. However, that is just the base of what we are. It is so simple, but develops into a complex system. Sorry if i did not clarify my self. And another thing. God set nature into play. He doesn't controll whether a baby dies or not. God views life as precious. If he views life as precious, why would he kill something before it came out of the womb. God even says that they are innocent, so they have not sinned. They know not right from wrong. I agree with you Peregrine, when you say that Theta orionis's comment was irrelevent. Big points for you :grin: Have a nice day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indoril Nerevar Posted March 10, 2005 Share Posted March 10, 2005 Another reply to peregrine: If you set blood out by itself in a petri dish will it make it self into a totally different being? No. You're forgetting one important factor. DNA. The DNA tells the body what each cell is. Blood for example cannot all of a sudden turn into muscle tissue cells, and work with the muscles accordingly. When a baby is first in the womb. it has about 100 stem cells. The DNA tells each cell what to do to develope. A heart is only part of the whole complex system of the human body. Therefore is not human. Have a nice day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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