Why are restrictive mod permissions popular?

[gnarly1]

Mod authors who don't mind having their assets used by other authors actually play the game, as they will benefit from the extra content the other authors will provide to him.

Mod authors who don't play the game, by contrast, will be jeaulous of the other author using their assets in a bigger mod, hence will order takedowns, depriving players of content.

 

Again, citation needed.

 

 

OP said it is the majority, according to his findings.

OP made no claims about mod authors who play the games they mod - perhaps a reading comprehension class might assist you here.

 

 

 

It is your problem if you can't connect two logical assertions.

Here's how it works: you provide the evidence that two assertions should be connected. You're the one making the claim so the burden of proof is on you.

 

Also, since you seem to be psychoanalysing mod authors, perhaps you might like to provide to the group proof of your credentials as a mental health professional...?

[xrayy]

Why are restrictive mod permissions popular?

1. can anyone tell me first what is defined as restrictive ? is cathedral concept a free decision or something that should be forced like nearly unrestricted use of mods in collections ?

2. maybe because you want use any asset of a mod or just copy the content like some sites do already(surely without asking the mod author) ?

3. just this are my experiences i do not care for it anymore - is it this the way how "cathedral" works? many comments let me believe that and the openly practised priority of collections over mods let me also believe this.

in my opinion this is not the ideal handling and priority of mods or mod authors.

 

cheers and have fun modding with the cathedral concept as long it is a free decision and done with respect to other concepts.

 

yes, for me there is a big difference if i find my mod as a copy on a sex site (or whatever) or this site (nexusmods) i uploaded it.

at least i don't accept and i don't asked for such a support. if no one stops this it will be also the end of nexusmods and i plan not to watch this without consequences.

 

just to mention - i offer all my mods for free on nexusmods and i'm talking about free mods only. if "free" means also "no rights anymore or only rights without value" im against any communist cathedral-like approach of "freedom" for users who already get the mods for free, but they also want now to fillet and distribute them without rules by themselves ?

 

 

the topic implies that restrictive mod handling is popular. if you exchange "restrictive" with "respectful" it would be great and i woud be with you . but that is not what this topic title says. and respect is a value of the past...

everything else is just an exchange of contentless nonsense with the tendency do disrespect or to discredit mod authors as slaves who offer their work already for free for a decade and more. should they pay money to the users or just lose the rest of their rights - practically obviously nobody cares for ?

 

if everybody knows what happended in aug 2021 on nexusmods and in forum discussions before it is a natural reaction and no surprise of a number of people who offered mods and tend now to be cautious with their permissions and to wait what happens next. i cannot see that anything changed since then. the trust is lost for years for a reason only others and collections supporter know. i don't know if this helped anyone.

 

my opinon - this topic and what it implies is nonsense and irrelevant as far as i read the reactions and the reactions are somehow a logical result of what happened and still happens.

 

transparency for mod authors regarding collections handling? does not exist so far due to other priorities. until today i even get no information if any of my mods is part of a collection and if it is used as intended by the mod author or curated by anyone else with a "patch" as part of a collection. in my opinon this should be already implemented as a basic part of collection handling. but it seems it is just my opinion and i can live with my humble mods with the status quo. if anyone would ask me to choose between some more DP and to get back my functions as a modder i owned until july 2021 i would clearly choose the functions. and we haven't talked about trust at this point here...

[StormWolf01]

Another reason for restrictive permissions, would be due to ownership of assets and whether or not the author has the ability to distribute said assets, beyond the sharing of the mod. A mod may have permission to use someone else's work for that mod only, with the original asset owner not allowing the sharing of his or her assets beyond that.

Ok this is along the lines of what my answer was going to be, as well.

 

Say that modder Joe, wants to port over an armor mod, from gaming company X's work.

Joe contacts X, asks for their permission.

X replies: yes, that's fine. But that permission to distribute is given only to you. Also under the provision that our property is not used for your, or other's personal gain (You can't make money off of Our product).

 

Another example. Modder Moe, sees a picture on the internet. Moe wants to make a mod that allows players to put that picture in their player home. Said picture is owned by somebody on the internet, and that person charges people to be able to download it.

Moe Contacts the artist, explains what he wants to do, and asks if he can do so. Moe receives a very similar response as Joe.

Moe however, says that people can do whatever they want with the art, even tho, Moe only has permission to use it, and is not the owner of the art. Moe, making that decision, is in breech of contract with the artist, who takes him to court in a lawsuit.

 

As far as some of the very, very serious mods go, there is a lot of work involved in them. Some of which, include custom, or original scripting. Scripting is program language. Unless specified in a ULA, (User License Agreement) scripting Can (in some countries) be considered to be protected content.

 

Myself, nothing that I publicly share, is anything really all that detailed. In fact, literally ALL of the mods that I've published for Fallout 4, do not even fall into the realm of the Nexus' protection. As simple slider settings, or console commands that anybody can find on the internet, are not considered to be protected Assets.

And if somebody enjoys the preset, or wants to modify it, and share it, I don't care. Power to them.

I give permission for console porting. Even tho, these kinds of mods aren't possible to even play on console, because the consoles can't use F4se, and therefore cannot use Body Slide, nor LooksMenu. (Er wait. I forgot about my John Wick Mod. That can be used on consoles, if anybody wanted to port it over. But, as courtesy, I do say that they need to contact the author who originally published the JW preset, first. Since my release, uses settings that he created.)

[DrakeTheDragon]

 

A lot of the restrictive licenses come from people having been burned in the past.

Amen.

 

For a little perspective from an oldtimer like myself:

 

At the start I always released my works with extremely loose permissions. Asking wasn't required, letting me know was only appreciated, even credit wasn't necessary, all I asked was for nobody to run around and claim my work as their's.

Guess what turned out was too much of me asking and was repeatedly dishonored back then?

 

So what was I to make of that? That some so-called community doesn't even honor the free sharing of the work of its authors for zero in return (back then it literally was zero, as it's still today in most cases, if it's not negative return by now) and that I was still to share my work with them and with a clean conscious?

 

Luckily I didn't care much about my own work, which I still don't today. What's publicly available today is only abandonware trash at this point in comparison to what I never got around to finish for another release. So I was only forced to change my ways.

Since then it was asking required, even though receiving permission was always a given, apart from a few very extreme fringe cases where I'll have to interfere perhaps. It was basically show me you respect their work and you'll get permission for mine. And I was feeling better again.