Changes to soliciting ratings/file of the month votes

[GodOfAtheism]

there can't just be one guy who does whatever they please, and that's just what you've defined,

Yes there can. If you start a site that has several thousand members, you can do it too. He could make the front page pink with unicorns and fairies all over it if he wanted (Please don't.), because it's his site, and he's not beholden to anyone else.

 

a plain simple monarchy, you do what you want, you are king?

Considering he's the one paying to keep the site up, yeah.

 

Why do believe this is the right thing, now I feel so oppressed right now because unlike the "US of A" we can't vote on our leaders,

This isn't the U.S.A. This is Dark0ne's website. Or to put it another, more easily understandable way- This is his house, you don't get to tell him what beer to he has keep in the fridge or who sleeps on his couch.

 

we have no say in how this site's systems function, we're just oppressed "citizens" in a communist nation.

Then emigrate. :)

[Dark0ne]

Jeez, it's like you've just come out of a history lesson from school or something. This site isn't a state or country, it's a website. A website that's easily cost over $50k to run over the past 8 years, that's had thousands upon thousands of man hours put in to it. Why wouldn't it be anything other than mine in the same way my house is my house, my car is my car and my PC is my PC.

 

As others have said, and I've said many, many times...you don't go to someone's house for dinner and tell them what to do, where to put things, what to eat, who to invite, who to kick out, etc.. The same can be said here. The difference is I'll take feedback from the community, much like I'd take feedback from friends on a shade of colour on my walls, on the type of engine I want in my car, on the newest cuisine to try, etc.. I don't have to act on that feedback, but it gets taken under consideration because perhaps if I don't listen to these people they won't come to visit. It's the same here; what the community wants is important because without the community, there is no site. However, the final say is always going to lay with me. And I bare a right to do whatever I please. Just be happy that what I please is normally what the large majority would also like. Don't be mistaken -- you are a very, very small minority. And now you're in an even smaller, banned, minority.

 

Adios.

[masumane]

good luck with your debt man. I'm in a shitty situation as well.... Way too many tickets... I dont want to go to jail :(

[pintocat]

I feel confident to say that despite what a very vocal few say, I believe the vast majority, if this were all placed up to a vote, would come out firmly in support of Dark0ne. His family of sites has been the bedrock upon which our whole community (TES and Fallout both) has been built.

 

I won't go into any specifics, but people who think their speech is being gagged are the ones who really need to be gagged. They're not doing anybody any favors... I read forums at work every day, and there's a pattern to what certain members of our community say. The ones who get banned are the ones who troll and flame, plain and simple.

 

If this place were a Wild West with no rules, no courtesy... the community would not have grown like it did.

 

This site is not a "free country". New flash for you: the USA isn't either, kids. You can say what you want*.

 

*Except slander, defamation, false advertising, etc.

[SteGab1979]

This site is not a "free country". New flash for you: the USA isn't either, kids. You can say what you want*.

 

*Except slander, defamation, false advertising, etc.

 

 

He, well then, I guess Romania is more free (or free-er, WHATEVER) than America...

 

You should see our politicians, the stuff they say to the press, in front of the press, to themselves (officially). God, if I hear ONE MORE American b10tching about the US government I will slap his arse all the way to China.

 

Come to Romania, please! PLEASE! We'll take *good* care of you! By the time you leave you'll want to go back to America. Guaranteed! You'll lose your taste for a 'free' country immediately.

[Ismelda]

Isn't that great? Now I feel I'm the one to blame because I asked people to vote for 2 of my mods as file of the month and met some success in doing so. I didn't know I shouldn't ask for it. After all I only asked and provided an easy way to do it: the link. It is like advertisement. Why putting advertisement if you don't want people to click it?

 

I feel really bad now that this new rules have been set. Not that I have more mods to ask people to vote for or that I want to try a kudo campaign or something. Just I don't see what is bad in asking people (who have the final decision as they are clicking or not the link and voting or not after that).

 

As the bad sheep I wonder if I have now to go on other pastures so that the others will find their peace without my bad influence.

Edited May 24, 2009 by Ismelda

[hyperion02]

Hey everyone,

 

I felt like I would drop in my two cents on an idea to reform the voting.

 

First, I'll say I love the site. I've been here a bit, both on TESnexus and now on Fallout3nexus. And to make a long story short, I love the nexus sites. I say this, because as I have been using the site, I also periodically lurk around the message boards to see what’s going on. When I do lurk, I tend to find a lot of arguing and emotion and not enough appreciation. So I wanted to take a second and say Thank You for the site.

 

As for rating a file, I usually come across the problem where many files get a rating of 10, but serve a very small purpose. (IE a single piece of armor or a mod to make a single piece of clutter look like something else.) These mods are well made in the sense that they serve their defined purpose and do it well, but those mods don't compare at all to any overhaul mods, OBMM, FOMM, Archive invalidation invalidated to name a few. I see those as absolute must have mods.

 

 

When I do a clean install, I always look for must have mods first, then add the extra fluff mods as I play through. Of course the must have mods are all mixed in with the fluff mods, so finding them can be tedious. Most of the time, I just look around forums and use common sense to find the mods that are most vital.

 

My idea is that you place a duel rating system. One rating will determine if the mod did what was described. You could do a 1-10 scale where 10 simply means the mod did exactly what the description stated, and a 1 would mean the description and mod couldn't be more different. You could even simplify that to a "yes" or "no."

 

The other rating would determine the importance of the mod. Again this could be a 1-10 scale where 10 means the mod is vital to almost every player to properly enjoy the game. A 1 would mean that the mod has very little importance. Another way to look at it is that a mod with a 10 would appeal to a huge base of modders, where as a 1 would have a very small number of people who will use the mod.

 

With the duel rating, a person could vote a mod 10 and the 10 would be a very objective vote, whereas a rating of 5 in importance will be very subjective. When a 3rd person sees this rating, he/she will know that the mod is well built, but he/she might want to see if this particular mod is his/hers cup of tea.

 

Of course a rating of 10 in both would mean that the mod is well built AND loved by everyone. A vote of 1 in both fields would mean that the mod was poorly built, and no one really likes it.

 

Whatever does happen though, I will always love the nexus.

 

P.s. sorry if my post seems a bit scatterbrained, it is 5 30 at the moment...

[Cipscis]

Don't worry Ismelda, as Dark0ne mentioned in the opening post there was no mention of whether or not he allowed this before.

Now, this was fine because we made no mention of whether it was allowed or not.

I think the problem isn't advertising as much as it is having a fair competition. A person is more likely to vote for a mod as file of the month if they are asked to do so, even if the mod is not their favourite. Although it may help to do a little advertising, shouldn't the "File of the Month" be a fair competition?

 

The same kind of thing applies to kudos - if they're a measure of how well you advertise yourself as opposed to how many people think highly of you, then they're not really serving their purpose and it can be rather misrepresentative. Ratings for mods are a little different though, as it's the average that counts. A mod with more ratings is not necessarily better than a mod with lower ratings - it's probably just been around for longer.

 

I'm glad to see WarThug gone, by the way. I've seen him here and on the official forums and he's really just an arrogant %&$!. He's also one of the few people who I think I can say is both hypocritical and hypercritical, and we're definitely better off without him around. The fact that he's insulted Buddah and Dark0ne only makes me gladder to see the end of him here, and now I can only hope that he meets the same end on the other forums that I have seen him on. Thank you.

 

Cipscis

 

EDIT:

 

Fooled by the crafty censor - I definitely didn't mean to call WarThug an angel.

 

Cipscis

[Loxy38]

I would just like to say that I completely disagree with Warthug!

 

I think the Nexus is run very fairly by the moderators and Dark0ne. I just thank you all from the bottom of by heart for all the effort you have put into TesNexus and FO3Nexus and without these 2 sites then I probably would never upload my mods.

 

Like you said, Dark0ne. Its your site and you run it the way you like and thats exactly how it should be. You do listen and try to make changes when you recognise somethings wrong like the ratings system.

 

I wouldn't let it get you down because the odd idiot decides to voice there opinion that doesn't reflect what the Majority of the users of the Nexus think.

 

I am just thankful that you allow me to use this site and I hope that I contribute some to it by uploading my mods for people to enjoy.

 

I think the Thumbs up is the way to got and then If a mod has 200 thumbs up and reaches the top spot on the top 50 then to take that spot a mod would only need to score 201 thumbs up.

 

What I mean is and take for instance my mod Kelsey. The mod was at 32 on the top 50. She got about 9 10s and I thought 1 more and she will move up on the top 50. Someone comes along and votes a 9 and she drops to position 39. This is just not fair imo and needs to be changed.

 

Its a little disheartening when 1 vote can spoil your ratings and position on the top 50.

 

No rush though, Dark0ne. We all understand that you have more important things like your education to worry about. Sort that out first mate, the ratings system will wait.

[CmdrObvious]

I'd personally like to see a new Vote up/Vote Down rating system, as the current one in place has gotten a little silly with the community voting 10 as a "good", and the remaining portion of the decimal being undesirable.