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[bben46]

@Talus - Here is how to do exactly what you demand - pay the $2 to become a supporting member. WOW two whole dollars for NO advertising on any Nexus site ever again. Do you know of any - ANY other site that does this? :tongue: You even get a few more extra perks besides the no advertising for your $2. Do you really think that whopping $2 actually offsets the total amount that the loss of revenue forever we get from doing this? Actually, it barely offsets the credit card and administrative cost of doing it. Yes, vendors do have to pay the credit card company for every transaction. That is one of the hidden costs of using a credit card.

 

Oh, yeah, I almost forgot - EVERY person that ever pays for even one month of premium automatically gets a lifetime supporter membership after their premium expires. The supporter membership does not expire. And one month of premium costs under US $5. - That is not a monthly subscription - you will not be billed monthly - just the one time. :dance:

 

If you are having trouble finding the place where you can get this deal - http://www.nexusmods.com/games/users/premium/?

 

As Nexus is based in the UK and not the US, the actual price of a supporting membership is given in UK Pounds and not US dollars, and can vary based on the exchange rate - but - it really is around $2 US. and of course will be different in other countries as well based on the current exchange rate. :thumbsup:

[RedHarlequin]

The definition of leeching:

(...)

Can you explain why I should show more respect to these individuals?

Being nice to people may pay off better than putting labels on them and hissing sneaky demands in a self-righteous manner to pay you either by watching/hearing ads or buying premium accounts if one wan to be a Baird Man.

 

Some mods have used 100s of Terabytes of bandwidth alone which would run them up thousands of dollars worth of bills if they tried to self-host. That's the whole point of the Nexus. We make it easier for modders to publish their work and take on all the hosting costs and distribution work.

The reason for such bandwidth is not the popularity of the mods themselves but this site, which respectively comes from the popularity of TES franchise and Bethesda games in general. One can easily publish their creations without a cent paid, it's as simple as making free tumblr/mediafire accounts, example given. People post their stuff here mainly because they want it to become popular and widespread, which in turn generates your income due to visits and premium accounts - it works both ways. You can't blame mods for the huge bandwidth usage that comes down from what you try and want to choke, especially if the popularity of said mods is what keeps your site going. It's not like the Nexus is the only place where you can upload stuff without "thousands of dollars worth of bills", you're not doing anyone a favor by simply hosting mods. Furthermore, the Nexus family of sites would never became famous without modders who share hours of their work non-profit, hence don't act as if what you do you do out of pure kindness and selflessness when it's obvious you have your own goals and ambitions to achieve with this site.

 

But I'm still very, very much irked by people who use adblockers and think they're absolutely entitled to do it, openly discuss their right to do it, and that their actions don't have a detrimental effect on the sites they visit.

People tend to do things simply because they can because this is the Internet - which also works both north and south of heaven. I don't see how bragging about it serves a purpose though, at most you'll mobilize a few of those who think high of you as well as a few of those who don't, to whom you simply expose your weakness. The thing is, there's no way around the fact that turning adblockers on/off is just a gesture of good will as there's no law forbidding you from being a free user of a site while blocking it's ads, it IS allowed to do so. It all comes down to the reputation and respect you gain among your members, simply put: if you make people like you, they'll try to help you. I turn off my AdBlock whenever I visit the sites I respect, one of them being the Cinemassacre site for example; the creator of that site started with nothing but a simple game review, improved the quality of his submissions over the years, eventually made his way to the top by thoughtfully expanding, being always respectful towards his fans in the process, and welcoming both acclaim as well as criticism. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said about the Nexus.

 

I submitted content to various modding community sites over the years: nwn vault, jk2/hl2 files, planetelderscrolls, started using the Nexus while it was still under the label of TESSource. Nowadays this site is arguably the most intrusive and user unfriendly modding community there is and ever was. You ban your members for life in a self-righteous manner over the slightest misbehavior, even resorted to issuing a country-wide ban and acted like a bunch of pricks thereafter towards people who did nothing wrong and just politely asked for assistance in order to get unbanned. You demand respect and politeness from your members yet I don't see you giving any of those in return, you're quick to say one don't have to find your rules fair while you like to declare what YOU find not fair. BTW, isn't that convenient? You're as entitled to do whatever you want as I'm entitled to whatever I want, it's all a matter of courtesy.

 

If you don't like what a particular site does, the way it works or what it places on the sites then the solution is to not use that site. The solution isn't to leech.

Why not? Some people use this site simply because there's no alternative, and no law forbids them from leeching without providing. It's the same as people buying games they not necessarily like because they'd rather pay for an awkward product than not to play at all. Anyway, you may find it unfair and morally wrong, but you're not a judge of anyone despite how hard you try and how comical the "zero tolerance to evil trolls" (especially if they're from Latvia known for it's over the top cyber crimes) or "zero tolerance to evil pirates" policies of this place have become over the years. You may now go even further and declare "zero tolerance to those who block the ads" - would be just as ridiculous as banning for life for swearing or talking about masturbation.

[Dark0ne]

Being nice to people may pay off better than putting labels on them and hissing sneaky demands in a self-righteous manner to pay you either by watching/hearing ads or buying premium accounts if one wan to be a Baird Man.

 

Your suggestion is noted, but not required. I do things blunt and tactless, as has been my way the past 12 years, because that's simply how I work.

 

 

 

The reason for such bandwidth is not the popularity of the mods themselves but this site, which respectively comes from the popularity of TES franchise and Bethesda games in general.One can easily publish their creations without a cent paid, it's as simple as making free tumblr/mediafire accounts, example given. People post their stuff here mainly because they want it to become popular and widespread, which in turn generates your income due to visits and premium accounts - it works both ways. You can't blame mods for the huge bandwidth usage that comes down from what you try and want to choke, especially if the popularity of said mods is what keeps your site going.

 

You are quoting me out of context to push your own agenda on the matter. I don't and didn't blame mods for anything. I was originally called out for not paying modders, I responded that I don't pay modders, I pay the bills the modders, and in turn these sites, rack up. By obvious deduction of your own statement, modders use these sites because they're easier and/or better than going the mediafire+forum post route. If it wasn't better and/or easier then they wouldn't be using this site. Everything else is moot.

 

 

The thing is, there's no way around the fact that turning adblockers on/off is just a gesture of good will as there's no law forbidding you from being a free user of a site while blocking it's ads, it IS allowed to do so

 

I never suggested otherwise. I did, however, suggest that if everyone browsed the sites with adblockers then these sites would not exist. Which is a fact.

 

In the same vein there's nothing stopping me from blocking the users who use adblockers on the site. There's no law against it. The fact I don't is a gesture of good will to these individuals in and of itself. The inherent difference is that if I complain about people using adblockers then people cry bloody murder. If I were to actually enact any sort of block on these users there'd be serious ramifications both in hate and access to the sites, but while both using adblockers and blocking people using adblockers are both perfectly acceptable/legal, the latter would cause public outcry, the former is simply an accepted way of internet life. Which is ironic. Seriously stifling the ability for the sites to pay the bills is perfectly fine and acceptable, but woe betide the webmaster who tries to stop these people from using the site. It's a common internet double-standard.

 

Not that outright blocking people using adblockers is ever on my mind in the slightest, but I'm not going to be bothered by someone who thinks it's wrong for a webmaster to mention, continually, to people using adblockers that in doing so they're a problem. If you don't like that; ho hum. I'll get over it.

 

 

 

the creator of that site started with nothing but a simple game review, improved the quality of his submissions over the years, eventually made his way to the top by thoughtfully expanding, being always respectful towards his fans in the process, and welcoming both acclaim as well as criticism. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said about the Nexus.

 

Pray tell me how we differ.

 

 

started using the Nexus while it was still under the label of TESSource.

 

RedHarlequin

Member Since 18 Apr 2013

 

So what was/were your other account(s)?

 

 

Nowadays this site is arguably the most intrusive and user unfriendly modding community there is and ever was.

Thankfully I know for a fact the majority of mod authors using this site, and others, would disagree with you :smile:

 

You ban your members for life in a self-righteous manner over the slightest misbehavior, even resorted to issuing a country-wide ban and acted like a bunch of pricks thereafter towards people who did nothing wrong and just politely asked for assistance in order to get unbanned.

 

Aha, and here we come to the crux of your actual resentment. Were you one of those individuals who got banned in the past by any chance? Does that explain your 2013 account despite being around, allegedly, since the TESSource days (2007). Where are these people getting banned who "did nothing wrong"? By all means please cough up some evidence so that we can properly review it. Or are you just one of the usual minority who don't like our moderating but can't actually back up your claims with anything credible, so simply choose to throw out accusations without any proof?

 

 

You demand respect and politeness from your members yet I don't see you giving any of those in return

Respect is given when respectful tones are received. Respect is not given when the person is rude, obnoxious or acting like a complete ass. Such is the way I've done things for the past 12 years. Such is the way it will continue to be. I don't hide from that fact in the slightest.

 

 

Why not? Some people use this site simply because there's no alternative, and no law forbids them from leeching without providing. It's the same as people buying games they not necessarily like because they'd rather pay for an awkward product than not to play at all.

Your analogy fails. quite obviously, because leeches are specifically not supporting the site in any financial sense but instead costing the site money, where as people who buy a product they "not necessarily like" have supported the product financially.

 

 

you may find it unfair and morally wrong, but you're not a judge of anyone despite how hard you try

*goes to look in the forum strikes and bans section*

 

Well...clearly I am...facepalm moment there.

 

 

would be just as ridiculous as banning for life for swearing or talking about masturbation.

In your most esteemed and humble opinion, of course.

[den2k]

Thanks a lot. You're more and more convincing me to become lifetime premium member, which is contrary to all of my rules (and unindicated for my finances).

 

Nevertheless, I'm abusing of your servers from several years now, so I'm really waiting for the financially right moment to give you what's due.

 

You really are doing a great job, thanks!

[Proudhorn]

Just wanted to say, this site is my "go to" site for all mods TES. I really appreciate all of the work that has gone into developing the NMM (and previously the OBMM) and the site in general. I try to point all of my friends/co-workers here when they first get their copy of a TES game.

 

After reading the comments below, just realized I was one of those users blocking ads. Gah! Only recently started using an ad blocker, and keep forgetting to un-block sites that I actually use on a regular basis. Nexus unblocked!

 

Keep up the great work!

 

Never looked at the Premium accounts, but, after seeing the pricing structure, going to see if the CFO will agree to getting a Premium account (yes, I run stuff like that past her... Happy Wife, Happy Life and all that!)

 

PS: You guys really need to find a way to emphasize the non-recurring nature of the payments. Most people, including myself, just expect it to be like 99.999% of all other services out there, automatically signing you up again, unless you submit, in writing, your wish to discontinue.

Edited January 23, 2014 by Proudhorn

[Dark0ne]

Thanks guys, I appreciate it.

[RedHarlequin]

I do things blunt and tactless, as has been my way the past 12 years, because that's simply how I work.

If you act blunt and tactless, expect no more from your members.

 

By obvious deduction of your own statement, modders use these sites because they're easier and/or better than going the mediafire+forum post route. If it wasn't better and/or easier then they wouldn't be using this site. Everything else is moot.

Popularity is rarely tantamount to quality. I have no custom of speaking for others, but I find these sites neither easier nor better, they're just popular. Don't take the popularity for granted, though.

 

Some mods have used 100s of Terabytes of bandwidth alone which would run them up thousands of dollars worth of bills if they tried to self-host.

(...)

I responded that I don't pay modders, I pay the bills the modders, and in turn these sites, rack up.

Either it's my lack of understanding, or you said you pay the bills for the modders and that the'd have to pay thousands of dollars worth of bills if they tried to self-host, which is obviously not true because:

- the bandwidth comes from the Nexus/TES popularity, not the mods themselves,

- you can easily self-host without paying anything.

 

In the same vein there's nothing stopping me from blocking the users who use adblockers on the site. There's no law against it. The fact I don't is a gesture of good will to these individuals in and of itself.

(...)

Seriously stifling the ability for the sites to pay the bills is perfectly fine and acceptable, but woe betide the webmaster who tries to stop these people from using the site. It's a common internet double-standard.

You contradict your own words; it's not a gesture of good will if you're not doing something out of consideration for the potential consequences. Otherwise please do it, I dare you.

 

Ads come with Pop-Up windows, annoying sounds, malware, tracking cookies etc., hence it's no wonder adblockers are considered mandatory. If you want your members not to block Ads on your site, showing how angry and annoyed you are at them is not the best method.

 

Pray tell me how we differ.

But I already did, pray read.

 

So what was/were your other account(s)?

1/10

 

Thankfully I know for a fact the majority of mod authors using this site, and others, would disagree with you

Well I cannot discuss with something you know for a fact, though as a matter of fact I see a lot of people getting tired of the pompous attitude of the Nexus staff. You can always make an experiment and visit some other forums, see by yourself what people say about your site once you cannot ban them over a few bitter words, or should I say for being disrespectful.

 

Were you one of those individuals who got banned in the past by any chance? Does that explain your 2013 account despite being around, allegedly, since the TESSource days (2007). Where are these people getting banned who "did nothing wrong"? By all means please cough up some evidence so that we can properly review it.

All these poor insinuations in an attempt to discredit my words, how predictable. Why do you care so much?

 

Here's the evidence - you banned an entire country and acted like the very definition of a complete ass (just using your own nomenclature) towards people who tried to politely resolve the case, even though they've done noting wrong.

 

Your analogy fails. quite obviously, because leeches are specifically not supporting the site in any financial sense but instead costing the site money, where as people who buy a product they "not necessarily like" have supported the product financially.

Speaking about taking out of context... Mind the quote, please:

 

If you don't like what a particular site does, the way it works or what it places on the sites then the solution is to not use that site. The solution isn't to leech.

 

My analogy was explaining why people leech the sites they don't really like instead of simply not visiting them as you suggested.

 

*goes to look in the forum strikes and bans section*

 

Well...clearly I am...facepalm moment there.

If you openly consider yourself a judge entitled to enforce what's fair and moral, then what can I say? Priceless.

 

In your most esteemed and humble opinion, of course.

Yep, banning someone for life over speaking about masturbation in the chat is totally not ridiculous, especially given the amount of adult content you're hosting on your sites.

 

Respect is not given when the person is rude, obnoxious or acting like a complete ass.

For once, I totally agree.

[Dark0ne]

Either it's my lack of understanding, or you said you pay the bills for the modders and that the'd have to pay thousands of dollars worth of bills if they tried to self-host, which is obviously not true because:

- the bandwidth comes from the Nexus/TES popularity, not the mods themselves,

- you can easily self-host without paying anything.

 

The bandwidth comes from people downloading the mods. Hosting a mod on mediafire is not self-hosting. Hosting a mod on mediafire is having mediafire host the file. Self-hosting is buying a dedicated server/VPS/server space and hosting the files yourself.

 

 

 

You contradict your own words; it's not a gesture of good will if you're not doing something out of consideration for the potential consequences.

 

Where's the contradiction, exactly?

 

 

 

But I already did, pray read.

 

Your concession is accepted.

 

 

 

 

So what was/were your other account(s)?

1/10

 

 

So, safe to assume you had other accounts here in the past then. Why the need to hide it, I wonder?

 

 

 

Why do you care so much?

 

Ironic.

 

 

 

you banned an entire country and acted like the very definition of a complete ass (just using your own nomenclature) towards people who tried to politely resolve the case, even though they've done noting wrong.

 

Indeed, I banned an entire ISP indiscriminately, the main ISP in a comparatively small country that meant a majority in that country ended up IP banned through no fault of their own, because a DDoS attack was being orchestrated from said ISP and when the ISP was contacted to help rectify the issue they flat out refused. What did you want me to do, keep the ISP unbanned and have the entire network go down until such time as the DDoS attack stopped? Don't be stupid to try and prove a point that doesn't exist. I dealt with those individuals who sent me an IP address for me to whitelist, however one user was being an ass, as evidenced by the fact several people told the user flat out that they were being an ass in the very thread you linked, and he got the blunt return treatment. Really, the fact it's been brought up is pathetic.

 

 

 

If you openly consider yourself a judge entitled to enforce what's fair and moral, then what can I say? Priceless.

 

I openly consider myself to be a judge entitled to enforce what is fair and moral on my own sites, or in my house, or in my car, or on my land.

 

 

 

Yep, banning someone for life over speaking about masturbation in the chat is totally not ridiculous, especially given the amount of adult content you're hosting on your sites.

 

Because hosting nude mods for a game is the same as talking about having a wank in real life. Oh wait, it's completely different.

 

 

 

 

Well I cannot discuss with something you know for a fact, though as a matter of fact I see a lot of people getting tired of the pompous attitude of the Nexus staff. You can always make an experiment and visit some other forums, see by yourself what people say about your site once you cannot ban them over a few bitter words, or should I say for being disrespectful.

 

It's the way of all things. I shall share with you something I wrote in the mod author forums recently. No doubt it's probably already been shared in the "other forums" (no guesses which one(s)) but it remains relevant.

 

 

 

People keep going on about people leaving never to return thinking that sheer quantity of numbers is what drives my decisions. I think I proved that one wrong when I removed nudity from the Image Share. I'd rather 100 people were using a system I was actually comfortable with than 10,000 people were using a system I absolutely despised, of my own making.

 

The Nexus will ebb-and-flow like all the big networks. Butthurt doomsayers will constantly claim the doom of the Nexus is at hand, and they've been doing it since way before even Giskard (thankfully) departed us, back in the days when people said the Nexus was pointless because there would always be a File Planet (chortle). To me it's like doomsayers predicting the end of the world. They're doing it constantly, and one day they'll be right! The Nexus will die eventually like all networks do on the internet, but I've been doing this for 12 years now, the network has, with no hint of a boast, become huge, much larger than I ever anticipated, planned for or even necessarily wanted. When that day comes, frankly, and with all honestly, I won't give two flying shits. Not because I won't miss it or because I don't care, but because of its inevitability. Up, and then down, that's how networks like this work, and I made my peace with that concept years and years ago. Sure, I can try and prolong the network's life as long as possible but I'll never agree to host sections of a site I'm not comfortable with simply to do that. When the inevitable comes I'll be happy and proud of what was achieved, and thankful for the lessons it taught me. I'd started 3 businesses from the age of 15 (and sold 2 of them) before this one at the age of 21, all focused on typical business goals like making money. This fourth one has been a real gem for me, even though I've created 3 more since then that have taken up more of my time over the years, because the focus was never on making money with the Nexus, it was simply about funding a hobby I'd always really enjoyed. A business I could run partly how I wanted to run it, and partly how a huge community of people wanted it to be run. It's been great. There's no real reason for this melancholy mind you, the network is still continuing to grow and if there's any sort of decline the registration, user and traffic statistics from the site aren't showing it; they're still all going up, up, up! But I digress, the numbers aren't what's important, and if I have to see a dip in numbers to gain back some self-respect then I'm more than OK with that.

And I think, there-in, lies one of the main things that people forget about how the Nexus is run. A lot of the time I do things the way the community wants it done, but a lot of the times I do things my way as well. I don't expect everyone to like what I do, at all. I'm not stupid. But people seem to think that everything I do should be for them, and them alone. It's just not how I work. I'd have lost my mind years ago if it was. So no, I resign myself to the fact when I do things lots of people are going to like it and lots of people aren't going to like it.

 

Any supposed monopoly people think the Nexus possesses hasn't come from any direct action of mine; that is I don't, like some networks, lock mod authors/casters/teams/whatever in to legally binding exclusivity deals. I don't buy out other sites or networks and I don't make any attempt to strong arm any sites out of the community (though I will happily admit, as I'm sure you're well aware, that some sites I simply refuse to acknowledge. I reserve that right). The mods on this site are here because the mod authors wanted to, or chose to host their mods here, and not for any other reason. When people say "well they had to upload their mods here because the Nexus is the only popular place to host mods" it just seems daft to me. It's popular because people like you (not you, RedHarlequin specifically) continue to upload your mods here even though you don't like it. So use the myriad of other options available to you. Use TESA! That's a damn good site with none of the drama you'll find here. It's just one of the many "complaints" that irks me. You do NOT need to use the Nexus if you're a mod author who doesn't like the Nexus. Indeed, I feel the same way about mod authors who don't want to be here as I do about Premium Members who don't want to be Premium, or who don't think it's worth it. For the love of god ASK FOR A REFUND (or in the mod author's case, move your mods elsewhere!). I don't want any paying members who didn't want to pay, and I don't want anyone using these sites that doesn't actually want to use the sites.

 

I could direct you to a long list of mod authors and site owners who I have helped over the past 12 years to setup their own hosting or provide personal one-on-one assistance on how to get a site up and running that's much like the Nexus. In this community and beyond. The concept of competition in modding in general seems abhorrent to me, hence why I've regularly refused the big money offers that have come to buy me and the Nexus out: "why do you want to buy the Nexus?", "We want to own the modding market to do x, y and z in gaming", "nope, that's not right"..happens quite a lot.

 

And why am I saying all this? I'm saying all this because I typically run the Nexus how I want to run the Nexus. It's run for the community, but it has to be done in such a way that I'm OK with. You can disagree with it, what I do and how I do it as much as you want, but those are simply the fundamental underlying facts. You can disagree with it publicly here and I don't mind talking it out, as long as it remains semi-amicable, you can be rude enough to get banned from here, like most people who talk about this subject do, or you can simply go to your other forums to disagree with it there. At the end of the day it's really no skin off my back. I'll continue to do things in my own way.

[bigdaddycool9999]

To quote Dark0ne: By obvious deduction of your own statement, modders use these sites because they're easier and/or better than going the mediafire+forum post route. If it wasn't better and/or easier then they wouldn't be using this site. Everything else is moot. /Quote end.

 

if i might state my point of view: if you upload a mod to a mainstream site, you get most views and downloads. sure. but there are way more sites in the internet that are dedicated mainly to tes, especially skyrim. most of them have the typical "do whatever you want with the files, just dont upload them or any modified version to steam or nexus"-policy. if the average user takes the fast way, he looks for skyrim mods, then he / she most likely ends up on the nexus. if further search is done you can easily come up with other communities from which some have hundreds of thousand members and stil grow. it seems like all their member numbers grow, i wonder where they come from... they must have been at another place before.

you find projects that will never go on any big site, may it be nexus, steam, or maybe a certain asian site, with a lot of highly skilled modders working in teams in a quite liberate environment. recently i just stumbled over some of the ladies / gentlemen that used to upload quite regularly here, and now seem to have disappeared. in reality they simply changed their base of operations, im not gonna name anyone or refer to any place here.

 

mediafire + forum? there are dozens of "smaller nexus" out there, some of them highly specialized. i know quite some that also use a layout similar than the nexus one (IP.Board). i just prefer to not point anyone to them. mainly because no one pays me to do so. you dont know where they are? do some research. you want to know where but dont invest an hour into google? not my problem. you think skyrim-mods are only on nexus or mediafire-links hidden in some blogs? thats simply wrong.

[Dark0ne]

Bigdaddycool:

 

Edited my post above yours before I saw your post, but I think you'll find the stuff at the end quite relevant, in that it doesn't disagree with what you've said at all. In fact, it compounds it.