Communism

[Peregrine]

Since Stanhead thinks communism has some redeeming factor, and anyone opposing it is just a victim of FOX's brainwashing efforts, here's his chance to prove it.

 

 

 

Please post your defense of communism or concede that you have no idea what you're talking about.

[Abramul]

Since you saw fit to include a poll, perhaps it would be wise to include less-biased options.

[_Atti_]

take a visit to the 'house of terror' in Budapest,i bet you'll vote on the first after that

 

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[Dark0ne]

take a visit to the 'house of terror' in Budapest,i bet you'll vote on the first after that

 

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So basically pretty much every government in history is evil through and through. The yanks currently have Guantanamo, the British had rape and pillage missions, the French, the Germans, the Romans, the Persians, the Greeks..etc etc etc

 

Every government has skeletons in their closet.

[Slaiv]

On paper, it's great. No poor, no hungry, no poverty..... Those facts are enough to make it a perfectly acceptable government form. Unfortunately, just like any other government, it has its flaws. It allows for little to no private enterprise, which is a must. And the leaders have traditionally and historically been corrupt, leading to a downfall of the communist ideals.

 

My €0.01.

[Indoril Nerevar]

communism is a great idea! (If you live in Rhode Island) The flaw in it is that it tries to encompass the world of a large lot of land. it keeps conquering or being adopted. In my opinion, perfect. Just watch out for the man in charge!

[KzinistZerg]

ON paper... it is the ideal government... sorta. In real life... "There is no cause so noble it will not attract fuggheads"

 

And corruption.

 

And communism does not work for communities greater than a tribe. In a tribe you know everyone and everyone knows you; in a state, what, give your stuff to a central power you've barely heard of? There are plenty of people to screw up the system, and any ultimate government, like communism, eventually subsides into stagnancy because radical new technologies generally make them unstable.

[NinjaSalad]

Ahhhhh, a good topic! In my opinion, I think communism is ideal I mean have you ever heard people suffering from being equal? I just go nuts thinking of all the ass holes with billions of dollars, hording it all to themselfs while others (in our own countries) starve. Of course there would have to be a government who was not cerrupt, which I think is key.

 

I beleave communism was made to look eveil by all the vulker who have the loads of money and could not stand to part with it.

[Peregrine]

Ahhhhh, a good topic! In my opinion, I think communism is ideal I mean have you ever heard people suffering from being equal? I just go nuts thinking of all the ass holes with billions of dollars, hording it all to themselfs while others (in our own countries) starve. Of course there would have to be a government who was not cerrupt, which I think is key.

 

Of course! Far better to have everyone starving and poor, instead of just some people. But at least they can be content in their equality!

 

Oh, you didn't realize that's the result? Profit is a fundamental part of human nature, it drives us to succeed. Take that away and everything just falls apart. That's why communism is so flawed, it generates its equality not by improving everyone, but by bringing down the successful.

 

I beleave communism was made to look eveil by all the vulker who have the loads of money and could not stand to part with it.

 

Communism was made to look evil by the people who tried it in their countries, and ruined the country in the process. Us capitalists just had to sit and watch it self destruct.

 

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On paper, it's great. No poor, no hungry, no poverty..... Those facts are enough to make it a perfectly acceptable government form.

 

On paper, anything is possible. But communism completely fails the real-world test, and none of its promises are true.

[Malchik]

Communism cannot work in practice because it runs against human nature. It has many good ideas and looks ideal in theory but it cannot work with human beings as they are. Earlier threads have pointed out, correctly, that previous 'so-called' communist governments have never practised theoretical communism or got anywhere near to it. Therefore we cannot use these historical examples to prove communism does not work or is evil, we can only go from theoretical arguments against it. These I find compelling.

 

This is not to say that over millennia human apirations may not change or be forced to change for reasons of survival but it is hard to see even this enabling communism to work.

 

Unfortunately the capitalist ideal is failing in too many ways and it is equally unsustainable as long term ideology.

 

Peregrine's comment are muddled because his position is entrenched beforehand and he has no room for manoeuvre. If ideal communism were possible no one would be starving or especially poor. The per capita wealth would be calculated by what society produced divided by the number who were in that society. However he is correct in saying that communism does not work because humans like to relate reward to effort and if reward is not so related where is the motivation for the effort?

 

There is just so much brainwashing that can be done as it being 'for the good of the state' and when people realise it is all eyewash they stop working.

 

I also agree with him that 'equality' is a dangerous concept to like. For a society to be equal it has to be at the lowest common denominator and that would be soul destroying to the majority. Even if one adopted a more pragmatic approach and tried to set a 'norm' it would drag down millions of those who were potentialy better or even great.

 

There are some circumstances, in the treatmant of human beings as individuals for instance, where we should strive for equality but this does not apply in the communist sense of the word.

 

I have not voted in the poll because I don't think I agree with any of the alternatives. I am not sure that the communist ideology is flawed as much as it is human nature that is flawed. I do agree communism cannot work.