My game is unplayable no matter what I do.

[gnarly1]

I've done so stinking much to fix the issue. How else can I state it in a way that doesn't require a long text? Also, I can't imagine what type of world you live in where you think what I'm typing is a lot. Its a common criticism I get from posting load orders too. I post them, everyone just blasts me for doing so because of how many esps it contains. I can't help that. I have thought about merging mods, but that always creates all sorts of issues. I thought about it again recently, but I didn't see anyway I could do it with so many mods overriding each other's loose files. Would it help? Maybe, wrye bash tells me I could merge about 20 mods. I just don't see how I could pull off such a feat though. Also, I don't technically have a lot of mods installed; over half my load orders tend to just be compatibility patches. In reality, its more like each mod takes up half a dozen esp slots.

How surprising - more redundant words! And not one of them responding to my request that you post the link to the STEP thread where you asked for help. There isn't one is there? How about posting a link to a thread where everyone blasts you for the number of esps your modlist contains.

 

I suspect you enjoy moaning about your problems more than you are motivated to actually resolve them. In fact, I think your posts are more about a cry for attention than actually resolving mod conflicts.

 

Please stop wasting everyone's time, including your own.

[Guest deleted34304850]

no-one owes you anything.

[InDarkestNight]

That's NOT what a strawman argument is. I was presenting a counter-argument that's ITS NOT WRONG TO NEED HELP. A strawman argument is when you try to refute something by not addressing the issue in question, but instead another related issue that actually has no relevance on the first. A good example of an actual strawman argument would be saying that because x political party support some dubious things means everything they support must be wrong. Basically, if c=false, then a=false, and b=false, even though c!=a and c!=b and a!=b (!= is short for 'not equal). Sorry for the programmer lingo, I couldn't come up with a better example off-hand (at least, nothing that would spark another debate). Also, hypothetical counterarguments like this are common in philosophy. So no, I didn't commit a fallacy by trying to argue that needing help isn't wrong.

 

Also, since when does needing help constitute 'entitled'? I realize not everyone could help me, but at the same time it is rather frustrating reaching out for help all the time and getting completely ignored. Its also rather annoying doing what people ask of me only to get blasted for it. I did tell everything I did, several times now, each time people just say 'I'm not going to read all that'. Okay, then actually read it and tell me how I could make it shorter? I don't see how I could, and I had to omit information just to get it as short as I did (I was just re-writing the same thing over and over but trying to make it more terse).

 

Either way, this isn't helping. I still have a broken game I can't play, I still haven't been recommended any extra fixes I haven't tried already. I've done the step thing, I've installed every stability fix I can find, I've done the memory patch thing (isn't that a part of the step thing anyway?), I've even looked beyond Skyrim for solutions (someone recommended the New Vegas AntI Crash on reddit I think). What more could I do? What could I install? What tweaks could I make? Is there just something wrong with my computer? If so, then why is only Skyrim affected by it? Literally no other game has EVER given me issues, and I have games with higher system requirements than even SE. What could cause THAT to happen? Normally if something is unique to a certain program, then it must be that program. That's common logic people follow all the time! Of course, another thing may be that getting this game 100% stable simply isn't possible. I did see Scatsbury once upload a video showing a rather extensive play session, and he was crashing pretty much every minute or two. I wouldn't even be trying to play the game if it crashed THAT much. Maybe then my game is as stable as it could be? If so though, then why is nobody else complaining that they can't enter dragonsreach without a guaranteed crash while playing SE? Well, technically I can 'enter' dragonsreach, I just can't climb the stairs without instantly crashing to desktop. Point is, something is clearly wrong, and all evidence points to it being the fault of the game itself. In fact, come to think of it, I can't remember EVER having a game crash on me (well, other than some ones I made myself in pygame, when I was first learning it of course).

 

edit: typos

Edited October 15, 2023 by InDarkestNight

[Guest deleted34304850]

its just words isn't it? voluminous word-salad that says absolutely nothing with each and every post.

 

the time you've spent calling out everyone who uses these forums for not helping you, for arguing, for refuting all suggestions, you could have fixed your game. but here you are.

 

my take, after reading all your words, all your problems are your own making.

game doesn't work?

1. remove all mods.

2. delete data directory and validate game files.

3. install 1 mod - try it.

4. repeat to fade.

 

done that? do it again.

doesn't work? don't care. do it again.

 

or, don't. just sit there and blame the internet/forums/people for your own lmiitations.

 

whatever works best for you.

[InDarkestNight]

Saying I've already tried something and it isn't helping isn't 'refuting' people. That said, I have also tried re-installing the game (I did this like 3 or 4 times with SE, to no avail, and yes, I MADE SURE to delete both folders). I did do the trial of elimination thing to find the problem mod in my load order. Turns out, not a single mod was responsible; I was able to get a crash with ever mod removed individually, meaning not one of them could be the cause. I did find however that the odds of a crash happening increased with the number of mods I had enabled (or more accurately how much data they took up; removing Holds dropped the odds of a crash far more than any other for instance). This was when I was diagnosing a cell border crash at that intersection near Whiterun. The New Vegas Anticrash mod I mentioned fixed that. I haven't gotten a freeze or crash in that area ever since I installed it, though I did start finding crashes other places that refused to go away. Worst part is they weren't even in a specific spot; they were just everywhere. Curiously, they seem to only happen in exterior cells, never in cities or internal cells (like dungeons).

 

I've done very extensive testing to find the problem, and I'm at a loss. Also, I've clearly stated removing ALL mods doesn't fix the issue either. Like I said, I've already listed multiple times what all I've done and you just chose to ignore it over and over even when I removed I was re-typing it over and over to try and get it short enough where you would accept reading it. I'm not being the troll here, I've been bending over backwards to appease you, and clearly you're not willing to accept anything. What do I have to do? I've done everything you've told me told at least three times now and you still keep insisting I have not.

 

Regarding being verbose, what would you do if I posted my load order? Its over 100 plugins, and I obviously can't help that. Would you refuse to read it simply because of its length? As for why I have over 100 plugins, I'm not sure. I chose to go with a minimal load order. Enai's v++ mods, and survival mods (in my case, frostfall, last seed, and trade and barter). I was mystified as to why I still had over 100 plugins despite trying to be minimal. I found the reason for this, is because the majority of my load order is literally just graphics mods and patches. I can't run without patches, and I'm not too keen on running without my graphics mods either. What can I do about that? I can't merge things like smim and Enhanced Vanilla Trees. I can't merge my city mods. Heck, Palaces and Castles Enhanced requires half a dozen patches just because of banal stuff I have like rdo and the unofficial patch and such.

 

So no, I won't be giving into your demands anymore. Like I've said, I keep doing what you tell me over and over and you keep chewing me out as if I didn't do it. I did do it, I can see that for myself and you just keep denying it over and over. I even do so again here partially, but I'm going to guess you're going to deny that too based on your past record. Now, stop derailing my thread so I can hopefully get actual help. Honestly, I may need to just start a new thread this one's become so cluttered. Of course, I can't do that with you derailing it again. Maybe as I said over on the suggestions board, its simply not worthwhile to post here. I mean, I got called ENTITLED FOR ADMITTING I CANT FIGURE SOMETHING OUT AND NEED HELP. Seriously, since when is needing help 'entitled'? Is it entitled to go to an expert? Is it entitled to go to the doctor? Is it entitled to need an extra person to put up a door? Is it entitled to go to the mechanic when your car breaks down? What the crap, seriously?

[Guest deleted34304850]

yeah, like i said above - its just words, gaslighting, arguing. same old, same old.

 

i'm not making any demands of you. never not once. i demand you fix your game? nah, didn't happen, won't happen.

 

what i did was emphasize that you've been offered help, and you ignored it, as you've done consistently in your messages. this now takes away at least three of the lies you use consistently in your legion of posts crying and lashing out at the world because your game, or your computer, or, maybe even you, is broken.

 

ur game doesn't work? sucks to be you. all my games work but then i know my s#*!.

[InDarkestNight]

Are you even reading my posts? I said I already did what you suggested last, and everything else here. Doing the same thing over and over doesn't fix anything. I can't help that I've already tried everything under the sun to fix the problem on my own to no avail. How about mentioning that something that NO GUIDE suggests?

 

I came here to get my game working, not get into debates over whether or not its okay to ask for help, that saying I've already tried x doesn't constitute rejecting help, or what the proper definition of a strawman argument actually is. This thread has gone no where, and I see no point in continuing it or even trying to post here again, at least until all the people who posted off-topic harassing comments get banned so I can re-ask without my thread being derailed again. Maybe it would help if a mod just deleted all the comments made on this, though honestly I was wanting to re-phrase the topic post anyway.

[Guest deleted34304850]

yet more word salad.

 

as above - perform all the mandatory steps to remediating errors with mods, or don't. your choice.

 

remember, your issues are yours alone. no-one owes you anything and lashing out at everyone who responds to your whining may help you with your self-image, but seriously puts anyone else off ever wanting to give up their time to assist someone as ungrateful and as needy as you come across in your posts.

 

btw - honest take based on your posts i absolutely and sincerely doubt you've done anything that has been suggested to you in this thread and others because when asked to provided proof of your complaints and of your attempts at resolution and of people being mean to you for posting load orders, you've spectacularly failed to provide it.

 

is it just attention-seeking? you tell me.

[showler]

I had a consistent crash entering the safehouse of the Dragonborn museum. Always crashed when I tried to enter, then worked when I had restarted the game. It was memory related.

 

Eventually, I tracked this down to my Windows page file having been set up according to old habits...old habits informed by advice I received more than a decade ago. Setting the page file back to Windows controlled fixed the issue entirely. I also realized that buying more memory would vastly improve the game's performance.

 

Skyrim is a memory hog. More than a lot of other games you'd think would use more memory. If your crashing is consistent it's something to look at.

 

You can also clean your computer of dust, reseat components to make sure the contacts are good. Reset or reinstall your OS if you are willing.

 

You've stated multiple times that you have completely reinstalled the game to try to fix this. But if you really want to find the problem you should know that reinstalling the game is starting at step five of trouble shooting, not step one.

 

And, seriously not trying to be rude, you should work on not hiding the important information in a wall of text. Either it will dissuade people from trying to help at all or cause them to skim the post and possibly miss what you are saying.

[InDarkestNight]

No, re-installing was NOT the first thing I did. Shut the f*#@ up and stop saying things I didn't say. I've already made it clear 3 times now what I've done, and if you can't figure that out on your own I can't help you.

 

That said, I've made no changes to my system. I wouldn't even know how to do that. Besides, from my understanding tweaking your system is something you can only do with retro 8-bit machines, not a modern computer. This did give me an idea though; why not run the thing in compatibility mode? I didn't think about it in the past since I couldn't set it to windows 7. Looking at it again now though, apparently it can run compatibility mode going all the back to windows 95. Guess they changed that in an update, but even then my windows 7 machine I originally ran this on couldn't go THAT far back. I was hoping I could get better performance running it in windows vista mode or something. However, I found the thing apparently can test what compatibility mode you should use. Running it, strangely it recommended windows 8. To be honest though, I don't really know what compability mode does. What, is it running the program through an emulator? I don't know. Also, the thing does technically function, its just unstable. I don't know if compatibility mode would fix that or not. Strangely, I've found this machine can run the original starcraft and warcraft 3 just fine EVEN WITHOUT COMPATIBLITY MODE. I have NO idea how that could be, but it is. Keep in mind, I didn't download these from anywhere; I INSTALLED THEM THROUGH MY ORIGINAL DISCS. They've never given me a single issue, and they run fine. Ironny, games made 20 years ago run better on this machine than one made 10 years ago. Wtf?

 

That said, I've always been told that LE can't use your entire ram? Apparently its some glitch with windows 10. SE can access all the ram you have, but LE can only access up to like 4gb, which is half the ram I have. Maybe it would help with SE, I don't know though. I did find one of the issues was that the game would crash every few seconds if my computer had been on for more than a few hours, completely regardless of what it did. I think that had something to do with the video ram though (apparently windows never removes what its put into video ram until the computer is shutdown, meaning its perpetually filling the video ram as long as it remains on, eventually flooding it). Curiously, I've never had this problem with LE. How long my computer's been on makes no difference. I've accidentally left my computer online over night and the game still runs as well as it usually does. Either way, again Skyrim was the only game affected by this issue. Shadow of Mordor has never given me issues, even though that game is newer and has higher system requirements. That's the only game I own that's newer than Skyrim. And no, I can't install newer games; my system apparently doesn't meet the requirements for any games coming out now, or since 2019.

 

Either way, expanding my ram would only help SE, which has been rendered unplayable anyway due to the bs AE update. All my research and everything everyone else has told me is that it would make no difference at all for LE. All I can do is avoid textures above 2k. Keep in mind, in SE I was running 4k paralax textures and any enb I wanted. That had no effect on performance, or stability. Like said, even using no mods, not even skse didn't help. In fact, doing that actually seemed to make things a bit worse.

 

Anyhow, guess I'll see if running in compatibility mode for windows 8 makes a difference. I don't have high hopes, but at least its something I haven't done yet.

Edited October 16, 2023 by InDarkestNight