Fallout 5 Wishlist

[worm82075]

1 hour ago, South8028 said:

 Vault-Tec's strategy makes no sense in the context of the desire to gain profit, or power. Their actions are aimed exclusively at studying human weaknesses and unleashing a thermonuclear war. Vault-Tec goal is the destruction of human society.

If the Timeline hadn't split in 1946, Vault-Tec would have been the Umbrella Corporation.

[South8028]

37 minutes ago, worm82075 said:

If the Timeline hadn't split in 1946, Vault-Tec would have been the Umbrella Corporation.

Well, yes... The most important thing for an evil organization is to create nonsense that no one understands. So that no one can understand what they really want to achieve. Yeah... Corporation... So they must want money... Earning capital is the goal of all corporations. But if they don’t need money, if, on the contrary, they spend a lot of money to torture people underground for some reason... Be sure. This is an evil organization.

[worm82075]

Well, in this case "Corporation" is just means to operate in the current system and money is just a path to power. The true goal is world domination because of course it is. It's the wet dream of every authoritarian psychopath that has ever been the leader of...anything.

[South8028]

20 minutes ago, worm82075 said:

Well, in this case "Corporation" is just means to operate in the current system and money is just a path to power. The true goal is world domination because of course it is. It's the wet dream of every authoritarian psychopath that has ever been the leader of...anything.

I think these are just regular cardboard characters. Their world is TV shows, video games, manga. In reality, such people do not exist. People live like insects. Long-term strategies are meaningless. Born today - tomorrow it’s time to get ready for the cemetery... After 102 years of life, after the 7th heart transplant from a fresh child.

[worm82075]

4 minutes ago, South8028 said:

In reality, such people do not exist.

Art imitates life. The true depths of depravity mankind is capable of will never be reflected in our art because the prevalence of such evil would extinguish all attempts. The 7 deadly sins are not a fabrication of fantastical ideas but rather an accurate description of the many different paths to ruin. It's too easy for those that grew up in the digital age to attribute the behavior of man to technology that permeates every aspect of our existence but our true nature is not our own and the shadow cares not for the material world for there is only kill or be killed.

[South8028]

17 minutes ago, worm82075 said:

Art imitates life. The true depths of depravity mankind is capable of will never be reflected in our art because the prevalence of such evil would extinguish all attempts. The 7 deadly sins are not a fabrication of fantastical ideas but rather an accurate description of the many different paths to ruin. It's too easy for those that grew up in the digital age to attribute the behavior of man to technology that permeates every aspect of our existence but our true nature is not our own and the shadow cares not for the material world for there is only kill or be killed.

It sounds too complicated and exoteric. In reality, these are small people, with their fears, simple desires and a total blockade of information... They are surrounded by a crowd of sycophantic pragmatists with whom you are comfortable because they only say what you want to hear and do not say what they really are they think about you. The best description of any elite... This is a pack of rats that hangs at the helm, trying to turn the ships towards their own benefit. Any king in our world is a miserable hostage to his retinue.

Edited May 5 by South8028

[worm82075]

10 minutes ago, South8028 said:

It sounds too complicated and exoteric.

That proves my point. My description of reality seems convoluted to you because your view of reality is skewed by the absence of true despair that our modern society affords us. When everything gets set to zero whoever is willing to kill for it gets to take the helm and outside of civilized society those that attempt to subtly steer the ship end up thrown overboard.

[South8028]

29 minutes ago, worm82075 said:

That proves my point. My description of reality seems convoluted to you because your view of reality is skewed by the absence of true despair that our modern society affords us. When everything gets set to zero whoever is willing to kill for it gets to take the helm and outside of civilized society those that attempt to subtly steer the ship end up thrown overboard.

To me, until I was 20 years old, the world seemed big. Then time began to speed up, and I realized that the world was a small room with frightened people. Anyone who starts moving in this room will definitely wake up those around him with his impudent behavior. I mean... That the motives of both saints and scoundrels are simple. There is no point in coming up with a complex philosophy of their behavior when the circumstances of each death are clear and understandable. They just move around because sitting and waiting to die in a crowd without doing anything is tiring.

Edited May 5 by South8028

[Karna5]

I'd just like to mention that concepts like psychopath are not nuanced or accurate enough to express humanity. For instance, my parents moved me to a new state when I was ten which put me as an outsider in a new environment where people began by constantly name calling me and progressed within a few years to people pushing me around and then hitting me. By age fifteen groups of people in corridors at school would gather around me and hit me, and others would constantly call me names. Some older guys would see what was happening and start me on the path of learning various martial arts, but regardless of that, the oppression overall would not stop. I'd even start reading magazines like GQ and the like and try to learn how to fit in, and I'd start buying nice clothing, but still, even at age 20, I'd be walking alone in a mall, and women I didn't know what look at me and say to me, "You are ugly!" Guys would walk up to me and spit at my feet. My senior year at high school I skipped class 1204 times and slept at home, instead reading books all night or writing dungeons for AD&D. But I also started snapping. At age seventeen I had enough and beat up a dozen different bullies over the course of the year. By my mid 20s I had been in at least 200 fights. My whole world was utter conviction that every time I would step in a room somebody might attack me, so I was incapable of walking into a room without deciding in advance how I would defeat each man in it.

I remember someone said to me once, "You really know how to make an entrance." And I realized he was referring to the fact I always stopped in the doorway and looked around at each person before I stepped in (I am also 6' 5" which I guess helps the effect). But I wasn't making an entrance. I was looking for potential enemies and calculating how to defeat them.

But I gradually became aware I was missing many opportunities in life for relationships with women because I was frightening everyone. I would never ever fight people I thought were weaker than me or who didn't want to fight me, but I was so intently watching for enemies it scared people who didn't know me. I remember one time my buddy and I went to a new nightclub to check it out, and I was watching the dance floor, and I heard someone below me speaking to me. I looked down and asked, "What?" And there was a man looking up at me asking, "You're not going to beat me up, are you?" I had not even seen him. And he was obviously not a threat. Of course I was not going to beat him up. But I became aware I must have been putting that aura out without realizing it.

At around age 26 I realized I had a problem and started working intellectually to calm down, to stop feeling like I wanted to explode all the time, to stop reacting with force when I felt threatened. It took around four years, but I succeeded. I'm still careful. I still watch for attackers (much harder now that I'm legally blind and use a blind cane when outside my house, but my awareness is still there). But I no longer project danger to people who don't know me.

I mention all this because I was broken. Years of abuse by total strangers broke me. My society broke me, and it's absolutely feasible that if you raise people in a vault with various conditions, you can break them, and they will see the world differently depending on the method with which you break them.

The Overseer of vault 88 in Fallout 4 is a totally credible scientist. That she grew up to see the world as she did is completely feasible. That kind of broken humanity is easy to cultivate and perpetuate generation after generation.

A few weeks ago I listened to the Ice-T autobiography audiobook called "Split Decision."  And I very much identified with much of it--not the crime aspects, but the being broken aspects. The book was incredibly bleak, but that's because to me growing up I saw the world with the same bleakness.

Can you raise humans in such a way that they will annihilate each other with nuclear bombs? The answer is yes, obviously yes. Look at how many nuclear bombs we have in the world. Of course yes.

Is it wrong? Very much yes, but humanity frankly isn't about right or wrong. Justice doesn't exist in the real world. It's a fairy tale. The only thing that exists is being broken and trying to heal, and what method of brokenness exists with each human depends on what happened to them growing up and whether they were ever able to live long enough to break out of Hell and fix themselves.

I'm glad Jonathan Nolan is the man responsible for creating the Fallout TV series because he understands humanity and its different perspectives. His villains are not Darth Vader style villains. They are just people who see the world differently and think they're doing the right thing. The vault 33 overseer is not evil. He's just broken and wrong. The bounty hunter ghoul is not evil. He's also just broken and wrong. Lucy is not evil, but she's in the process of breaking. The BoS kid is not evil. But he's also breaking.

This is also why I used Lawrence Block as a frame of reference for a Fallout 5 story. In Lawrence Block novels, everyone is human. But they're broken. I suppose considering the context of Fallout, I could have used Jonathan Nolan as a frame of reference. Most people who don't read or listen to fictional novels might not be familiar with Lawrence Block, but people who have seen the Westworld remake or Person of Interest or the Fallout TV series or would be familiar with Jonathan Nolan even if they're not aware he's the creator.

I want someone like that to write Fallout 5. I do not want cliche quest lines. I want broken people who all think they're doing the right thing.

[South8028]

1 hour ago, Karna5 said:

I'd just like to mention that concepts like psychopath are not nuanced or accurate enough to express humanity. For instance, my parents moved me to a new state when I was ten which put me as an outsider in a new environment where people began by constantly name calling me and progressed within a few years to people pushing me around and then hitting me. By age fifteen groups of people in corridors at school would gather around me and hit me, and others would constantly call me names. Some older guys would see what was happening and start me on the path of learning various martial arts, but regardless of that, the oppression overall would not stop. I'd even start reading magazines like GQ and the like and try to learn how to fit in, and I'd start buying nice clothing, but still, even at age 20, I'd be walking alone in a mall, and women I didn't know what look at me and say to me, "You are ugly!" Guys would walk up to me and spit at my feet. My senior year at high school I skipped class 1204 times and slept at home, instead reading books all night or writing dungeons for AD&D. But I also started snapping. At age seventeen I had enough and beat up a dozen different bullies over the course of the year. By my mid 20s I had been in at least 200 fights. My whole world was utter conviction that every time I would step in a room somebody might attack me, so I was incapable of walking into a room without deciding in advance how I would defeat each man in it.

I remember someone said to me once, "You really know how to make an entrance." And I realized he was referring to the fact I always stopped in the doorway and looked around at each person before I stepped in (I am also 6' 5" which I guess helps the effect). But I wasn't making an entrance. I was looking for potential enemies and calculating how to defeat them.

But I gradually became aware I was missing many opportunities in life for relationships with women because I was frightening everyone. I would never ever fight people I thought were weaker than me or who didn't want to fight me, but I was so intently watching for enemies it scared people who didn't know me. I remember one time my buddy and I went to a new nightclub to check it out, and I was watching the dance floor, and I heard someone below me speaking to me. I looked down and asked, "What?" And there was a man looking up at me asking, "You're not going to beat me up, are you?" I had not even seen him. And he was obviously not a threat. Of course I was not going to beat him up. But I became aware I must have been putting that aura out without realizing it.

At around age 26 I realized I had a problem and started working intellectually to calm down, to stop feeling like I wanted to explode all the time, to stop reacting with force when I felt threatened. It took around four years, but I succeeded. I'm still careful. I still watch for attackers (much harder now that I'm legally blind and use a blind cane when outside my house, but my awareness is still there). But I no longer project danger to people who don't know me.

I mention all this because I was broken. Years of abuse by total strangers broke me. My society broke me, and it's absolutely feasible that if you raise people in a vault with various conditions, you can break them, and they will see the world differently depending on the method with which you break them.

The Overseer of vault 88 in Fallout 4 is a totally credible scientist. That she grew up to see the world as she did is completely feasible. That kind of broken humanity is easy to cultivate and perpetuate generation after generation.

A few weeks ago I listened to the Ice-T autobiography audiobook called "Split Decision."  And I very much identified with much of it--not the crime aspects, but the being broken aspects. The book was incredibly bleak, but that's because to me growing up I saw the world with the same bleakness.

Can you raise humans in such a way that they will annihilate each other with nuclear bombs? The answer is yes, obviously yes. Look at how many nuclear bombs we have in the world. Of course yes.

Is it wrong? Very much yes, but humanity frankly isn't about right or wrong. Justice doesn't exist in the real world. It's a fairy tale. The only thing that exists is being broken and trying to heal, and what method of brokenness exists with each human depends on what happened to them growing up and whether they were ever able to live long enough to break out of Hell and fix themselves.

I'm glad Jonathan Nolan is the man responsible for creating the Fallout TV series because he understands humanity and its different perspectives. His villains are not Darth Vader style villains. They are just people who see the world differently and think they're doing the right thing. The vault 33 overseer is not evil. He's just broken and wrong. The bounty hunter ghoul is not evil. He's also just broken and wrong. Lucy is not evil, but she's in the process of breaking. The BoS kid is not evil. But he's also breaking.

This is also why I used Lawrence Block as a frame of reference for a Fallout 5 story. In Lawrence Block novels, everyone is human. But they're broken. I suppose considering the context of Fallout, I could have used Jonathan Nolan as a frame of reference. Most people who don't read or listen to fictional novels might not be familiar with Lawrence Block, but people who have seen the Westworld remake or Person of Interest or the Fallout TV series or would be familiar with Jonathan Nolan even if they're not aware he's the creator.

I want someone like that to write Fallout 5. I do not want cliche quest lines. I want broken people who all think they're doing the right thing.

In my city, when I was in school, there were a bunch of “groups”. Youth gangs were called “groups.” Shaven-headed guys in club jackets, worn-in boots, with bloody bandages tied on their knuckles, wandered around the school as if at home. The teachers were afraid of them like hell. The teachers smiled ingratiatingly at them. There was no control over the gangs. The police didn't care about hooliganism in schools because the country had recently been destroyed and chaos had spilled onto the streets. Who hasn’t seen how crowds of a hundred people break each other’s heads with rebar and bricks... He had a wonderful childhood.