Mod Browsing Overhaul Discussion

[DuncanWasHere]

I'm not convinced that Nexus staff actually believe in the efficacy of this redesign, nor am I hopeful that the overwhelmingly negative reception to it will result in a decent compromise for us. Because obviously it's outrageously bad to the point of being comical, and I'll give the staff the benefit of the doubt that they aren't genuinely all on a different wavelength from the rest of the population, it's just their job to defend the brand image. So based on the time spans surrounding this project, it reeks of corporate mismanagement and sunk-cost fallacy to me. So, I get it, it's being forced through to production because it *has* to be, even though no one is really happy about it, or maybe it actually is more economical for the company despite the visceral reaction it triggers in active users, because somehow all the BF Skinner magic works out.

For the record, I feel bad for the staff for having to deal with this mess. I know it's soul-sucking either way.

[zloybelka]

40 minutes ago, DefenestratedKoala said:

It even randomly sorts new mods... I like to browse by latest, but it's literally putting it in a random order. Worst I saw was "2 hours ago" next to "1 week ago" next to "3 days ago" next to "1 hour ago". This is a bad change. Please give us options.

Haha, thought so too once, on the new user profiles, BUT that's just the NEW COOL UPDATE "DATE" indicator. So very cool and convenient (not).

[DefenestratedKoala]

8 minutes ago, jmharris said:

Ok thanks, I can see that. The mod tile now shows the latest known value, but the search index clearly hasn't been updated promptly as is expected. (One could argue whether the mod tile should show the search index value or the latest value.. )

My expectation is that this will be a high priority to resolve ASAP.

Cool. Thank you for addressing this. My general expectation was to have something like the old "latest" page which would show the latest released/brand new mods in order of the newness of the actual mod page itself.

Beyond that, I do still find this design a bit cumbersome and awkward on desktop.

[DefenestratedKoala]

2 minutes ago, zloybelka said:

Haha, thought so too once, on the new user profiles, BUT that's just the NEW COOL UPDATE "DATE" indicator. So very cool and convenient (not).

That's a separate filter though "last updated". If I see a "last updated" and a "date published", I'm going to expect the "date published" to go off of the mod itself and not latest activity on it. All in all, very confusing when compared to the old system.

[jmharris]

1 minute ago, DuncanWasHere said:

the overwhelmingly negative reception to it

There certainly are some negative (and rude!) reactions to it, but feedback over all channels has not been negative overall. I know we can all place our own weight on which channels of communication are more important, and I know some people will flat out not believe me- but it actually is the case.

Of course that doesn't mean we aren't going to be improving things where needed. 

[zloybelka]

32 minutes ago, m661 said:

Might I suggest that the team takes a look at Web Content Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG2.1)
https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG22/quickref/?versions=2.1&showtechniques=141#principle1

Oh look, the guidelines page is all black font on white background, not vise versa as the NEW COOL NEXUS COLORS! Just remembered this discussion from a year ago, and here we are again.

[zloybelka]

31 minutes ago, jmharris said:

easier and more enjoyable for everyone

Erm, obviously not.

[WndMll]

1 minute ago, jmharris said:

There certainly are some negative (and rude!) reactions to it, but feedback over all channels has not been negative overall. I know we can all place our own weight on which channels of communication are more important, and I know some people will flat out not believe me- but it actually is the case.

Of course that doesn't mean we aren't going to be improving things where needed. 

Defending brand image it is.

It's been negative overall. The Reddit is on fire, this forum is on fire, the discord has had so many people over the past few days joining just to say that the redesign is bad. 

There is no mental gymnastics you can do to make it seem like it hasn't been negative overall.

Overwhelmingly Negative, in red text, one might say.

Say I don't believe you all you want but I can count and even from glancing there's far more negativity than positivity.

[jmharris]

16 minutes ago, DefenestratedKoala said:

Cool. Thank you for addressing this. My general expectation was to have something like the old "latest" page which would show the latest released/brand new mods in order of the newness of the actual mod page itself.

I could be wrong about it being a search index sync issue by the way, just shooting from the hip. At the very least it's a problem perceived with the discrepancy between having sorted by a certain date property, and then seeing 'x days ago' results in a non linear order right?

[HollownessDevoured]

I have to feel for the staff, especially those who respond out-of-office hours, that only has the power to forward feedback. I have been frustrated over a year, knew this was coming and even bowed out of Nexus, back just because I was PM'd about this post, and this is the only opportunity to provide feedback since a year ago. When this post is locked you will really know frustration. So I recommend to provide more and as much constructive and compromised based feedback; over straight up frustration and venting posts—as they may be seen as just hostility and dismissed and might get this post closed faster.