Mod Browsing Overhaul Discussion

[HollownessDevoured]

16 minutes ago, Qrsr said:

Wikis are toxic and it does not work either. You can simply skip on "we do what all want do". Democrazy is no different than tyranny it some point either. Wikis also expect all content to be without rate and to assume good will an sense and stuff. all good with that but it opens room for weird things. Its about logic nothing else. You want data to show for modders in a good way ask how, ask for alternatives then, compare, rethink, inject or something. But you need people to trust.

Not all wikis, but yes they very much can be. I just mean that in essence that is what wikis are supposed to be like. As I mentioned "In an ideal world consensus would be great"... on paper that always looks better but practice is a whole other thing.

[NoobAlmost]

Could we get a per game page reader mode with all mods uncategorised? The change is windows 11 first boot jarring, the difference being my 11 can and does look like 10 now.

[ozoak]

1 hour ago, Qrsr said:

Wikis are toxic and it does not work either. You can simply skip on "we do what all want do". Democrazy is no different than tyranny it some point either. Wikis also expect all content to be without rate and to assume good will an sense and stuff. all good with that but it opens room for weird things. Its about logic nothing else. You want data to show for modders in a good way ask how, ask for alternatives then, compare, rethink, inject or something. But you need people to trust.

Thats true or you need just to create motivation by respect or psychic trauma (provocation by visual harm) like the UI is making some people upset which i can understand OR at least you have to trigger people. And the UI change is a HUGE trigger its obvious and present for everyone using the site who can make a comparison if using the site was true before the change. But as you can see even this extrem action forced only a small amount to talk about it... now is the majority pleased about the UI change? If you measure pleased by the amount of feedback per discussion (here) then yes... a few hundered pages, with maybe close but less than 100 dicussing the changes. How much of that 100 are really against it? Well probably a bit more of 100 but less than 1000. The total amount of users per nexusmods is probably muuuuuuch more ... and only less than 1000 are discussing the changes. Why? One person can make all difference already, no question - but its really interesting comparing just the feedback here.

All of this from my point of view can be skipped too, statistics are horrible, there are people complaing, why do people complain. How to fix? Are the complains realistic and or repetetive? Is it worthy or is it possible in a realistic approach, time span.

I think that looking back is a waste of time. I wouldn't be impressed if the current layout persits without much option especially no option to revert. I wouldn't be upset if true either.

Someone yesterday cited about 800 users participating in forum feedback about the site changes. Yes, less than 1000, but not insignificant.

And while the value of people posting something simple along the lines of "I don't like it" or a more base "it sucks" is quite low, an argument could be made that it is of no less value than someone simply picking a 1 or a 2 out of 5 value on a poll without providing any explanation for the score given (and we have to assume that happens, because, well, it's common in polling for people to skip right over the freeform feedback fields).

I know myself I have a lot of questions, the answers to which are largely irrelevant without the company entertaining the notion of rolling back, but hopefully would be food for thought for them internally to assess whether they approached this correctly.

Based on the numbers contributed towards scoring the various sections it seems somewhere between 1200 and 2100 users responded to polling.

The things that I think Nexus should reflect on that might have inadvertently (and we hope not intentionally) skewed the results, are along the lines of:
* opt-in to beta appeared to have three status possibilities: undetermined (people who see the offer of Beta and just ignore it), opted-in (people who see the offer and accept it), rejected (people who see the offer, click it and then back out)
Q. What volume of users "rejected" the beta? This volume should be given a notional weight towards a low-acceptance of the new site design.
Q. What if more people rejected the site than people actually responded to the poll?

* polling was only conducted on users who opted into the beta. This itself presents an issue as far as deriving any full population wide statistical result from the poll, as it's only polling people who liked it well enough to continue participating in the beta.
Q. Did we poll the right people to get a reliable understanding of sentiment towards the new design?

It probably would have been better to run the polling quite literally any other way.
* randomly select users with high-activity profiles and opt them into the beta, then collect feedback/polling
* roll the new design out to all users as a 48 hour trial, then collect feedback/polling

There's more, but you get the idea. I personally concede that after the fact (the site has gone live without broader testing) these things are moot, but part of me would hope they are at least discussed among the Nexus team. It's up to them where the site goes, if anywhere, so bellyaching wont achieve anything but continuing to give them food for thought ... maybe?

I'll take my optimism hat off now

[Demorphic]

I'll respond to a couple of issues here, but will likely lock this thread off fairly soon as it's becoming an echo chamber of even decreasing value. Posts that are being made here are also being copy/pasted multiple times into the news post and it's getting very messy, with limited value.

There's going to be a monthly roundup coming out, likely today, with a more detailed followup. In the monthly roundup will be a list of some of the work carried out since the release, some of the things we are now working on based on feedback and some other bits we are exploring. The next larger release will be an update to the main site home page, probably next week, which has been underway for a little while and is not blocking the other work that's been going on.

The survey, the beta, the user testing.

If you didn't see it, or closed the beta banner and didn't get the chance to offer beta feedback, or didn't realise how it worked, that release phase is long gone. There may be follow-up surveys, and there may be surveys around other major updates if they occur, but this is probably the biggest site change for a long while, other smaller bits will not require surveys.

The quick search has been getting some updates with more to follow. It will continue to be a modal that pops up over your current page. I know this approach of overlaying of underlying content has been something that several posters in this thread have expressed dismay towards, and I'm sorry this is such a departure from your normal way of searching, however, this won't be changed. I'm looking at you @HadToRegister to be clear the approach of having search open over the current page is not going to be changed. We are looking at other contrast options though.

@Isguros you've made 32 posts in this thread of entirely sarcastic and ascerbic content. If you've nothing further to add in a reasonably polite manner, you will be removed from the discussion. Your comments don't need to be positive.

A few things have been added over the last couple of days including tracked content updates, date range filter, mod comment search, default search category selection and enhanced keyword recognition. More things will follow.

 

 

[carpesangrea]

1 hour ago, Demorphic said:

If you've nothing further to add in a reasonably polite manner,

As if that matters, since your attempts at controlling the narrative are rather transparent.  A lot of us have seen this whole song and dance multiple times before, and your almost complete lack of transparency is making everything so much worse.

[Evan555alpha]

1 hour ago, Demorphic said:

lock this thread off fairly soon as it's becoming an echo chamber of even decreasing value.

You know, it's funny: I've seen this exact thing happen before, years ago, albeit on a different website. Same massive UI overhaul, same controlling staff, same "you'll shut up and like it" attitude, same thread-locking once the conversation dared to die down.
I'm not surprised by the outcome, but I am surprised that this whole thing's happened at least twice. Maybe I should start investing these nickels.

[Simale]

On 4/1/2025 at 5:04 PM, showler said:

I trust you've since read the correction that it appeared on every game page as well?

Show actual proof that there is a way to get to the poll, or it isn't true. I've looked. Using Chrome with no ad-blockers or CSS script overrides, or any other extensions, there is no link anywhere.

[Simale]

So now that the change has been implemented. When will we get to participate in an evaluation poll so you can measure how well the change went and can continue to the next step?

[Emil8000]

So we've finally reached that point, threatening to remove people from the thread and lock it. You do realize the reason all the responses are sarcastic now is because you failed to respond to most people's major concerns, only cherry picking minor points to answer? Why would people continue to give constructive, well articulated feedback when it's going to be buried and ignored anyway? You likely realize this, but continue only doing damage control and not solving the core of the issue.

Bottom line is, I would have preferred this thread never existed and everyone was told to deal with it or pound sand, because at least then you'd have been honest about what's going to happen instead of giving the illusion you care about feedback.

[showler]

1 hour ago, Simale said:

Show actual proof that there is a way to get to the poll, or it isn't true. I've looked. Using Chrome with no ad-blockers or CSS script overrides, or any other extensions, there is no link anywhere.

The poll was two weeks ago.  It's over.  It was a feedback poll for before they went live with the new site.  What part of that are you not understanding?