Mod Browsing Overhaul Discussion

[jmharris]

  On 3/22/2025 at 12:47 PM, UX99 said:

Using Shadow-Root is just bad design overall as there's no actual benefits to using it.

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Yeah I've seen a bit of FUD around this. It exists because it solves a problem, and unsurprisingly we are using it because we had that problem! 

We wanted to re-use implementation from a newer framework on our old interface and we found that a web component was the best approach on balance.

There was no intention to make it difficult for anyone to modify things. You'll just have to trust me on that. 

[UX99]

  On 3/22/2025 at 12:51 PM, jmharris said:

Yeah I've seen a bit of FUD around this. It exists because it solves a problem, and unsurprisingly we are using it because we had that problem! 

We wanted to re-use implementation from a newer framework on our old interface and we found that a web component was the best approach on balance.

There was no intention to make it difficult for anyone to modify things. You'll just have to trust me on that. 

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Then there needs to be options for the pop out as people cannot re-style it.
There NEEDS to be an option to have it behave as it was, and not as a full-page-blocking window.
Even the keyboard shortcuts should have a toggle in the user-settings. They can be defaulted to on, but there needs to be an option to have them off.

If people aren't going to be allowed to fix things themselves, then they need to be given options.

[RomanR]

  On 3/22/2025 at 4:43 AM, showler said:

Selection bias is a thing.  That people are more likely to complain than compliment is a thing.  You can't just ignore that in order to push your narrative.

Basically, people are accusing the staff of lying about their data based solely on the fact that a lot of angry people have posted on the forums, discord or reddit.  I have observed here long enough to realize that a lot of angry people will post on the forums, on discord and on reddit for a lot of reasons.

It's weird because I cannot, for the life of me, imagine a scenario where the staff of a company like this would lie about the feedback and hurt their own company by doing so.  The only scenario that makes sense to me is that they are actually following the data they collected and will make changes that work within that data.

Just like they did eight years ago.

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They keep slashing with "mobile device" like with a sword, but you can't work with such generic term in any serious analysis without further specifying. Even display of smartphone or tablet can be used as both height or wide screen, a fact which was ignored too it seems. And it's why I see their decision to make their UI vertical by design and for favor of smartphone (as one of mobile device classes only) as just ridiculous and without sense.

This UI affair is a disaster, I don't understand how it can happen on such scale. 

[jmharris]

  On 3/22/2025 at 12:55 PM, UX99 said:

If people aren't going to be allowed to fix things themselves, then they need to be given options.

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I omitted to mention, if you're looking to mod this then you'll find the web component is only used on the pages currently served by the older framework- primarily the homepage and mod detail pages.

The homepage will be updated to the new framework soon (we're talking weeks, not months). I don't have a timeline for the mod detail pages.

[UX99]

  On 3/22/2025 at 12:58 PM, jmharris said:

I omitted to mention, if you're looking to mod this then you'll find the web component is only used on the pages currently served by the older framework- primarily the homepage and mod detail pages.

The homepage will be updated to the new framework soon (we're talking weeks, not months). I don't have a timeline for the mod detail pages.

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Currently the game homepage is the only place where one can actually re-style the search popout.

The mod pages are where it is using Shadow-Root and thus locked down.

 

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On second glance, I assume actually you were referring to the main site homepage then and not the game homepages.

So in the future, they'll all actually function as to how it is on the Game Homepages?

 

Edited Saturday at 01:02 PM by UX99

[jmharris]

  On 3/22/2025 at 12:59 PM, UX99 said:

On second glance, I assume actually you were referring to the main site homepage then and not the game homepages.

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Right, sorry for the miscommunication, I do mean the main site homepage. That'll be served by the new framework soon and there won't be a web component required.

[UX99]

  On 3/22/2025 at 1:06 PM, jmharris said:

Right, sorry for the miscommunication, I do mean the main site homepage. That'll be served by the new framework soon and there won't be a web component required.

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Ah, ok.
That's better at least.

 

I'll just make some css then for myself to target how it is on the game's popout so then it'll work on the rest of the site when that part is done.

Would still like an option to disable those keyboard shortcuts though, like pressing / to open the search. I get why people like having them, but just not for me.

Edited Saturday at 01:09 PM by UX99

[kyeaxford1]

  On 3/22/2025 at 12:48 PM, jmharris said:

I'm not looking to diminish your opinion and it's not my call to make on all the issues raised, but there are responses from the dev team in this thread and other communication channels. We also ran hotjar polls both during and after the beta which captured responses from the wider userbase. Purely stated for fact, and not judgement on whether that is sufficient for you.

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I check the site everyday for a long time and I never saw any mention of any polls. And why can't there be an option to revert, that way people who like the new can stick with it and those who prefer to old can revert to that. 

[ortext]

Its quite obvious the dev's are just not listening, and just ignoring the people who did not like the new UI changes...

And just replying to other types messages that are unrelated to it... Not even giving people an option to give feedback and just deleting them and citing them as " Bad behavior or Rule breaking ".
Where they either have the capabilities to just shut anyone down, Or at least do good by giving people an option.

And with the simple minded thought that 40% of the user base is more then 60% of it?

Its obvious some change needs to happen soon ( If even possible ). If not the Devs will just ignore our " Feedback " or just try reply in a copy and paste bot manner, and just move on.

If not, the devs have lost their way.

[MaximumPony]

They keep saying that they ran polls and such but I promise you they only ran polls for folks who frequent the forums. I've been browsing mods for years and never once saw a single poll or feedback for this kinda s#*!. A lot of folks don't touch the forums, and a lot of them remain on their game pages. They polled a small amount of folks who live in the forums while a lot of folks who just come here for mods are now gonna have to deal with this ugly ass UI.