Khaalis Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 24 minutes ago, zloybelka said: You (as I'm doing this kind of edits) click the forums.nexusmods.com link in the Stylus drop-down menu and then erase all code in the big editor window and paste the new code. But since I'm using Firefox, you might need to leave your first line (mine is @-moz-document domain("forums.nexusmods.com") { ) intact and erase it from my code, IF you're on some other browser. Otherwise, idk what the problem might be. Thanks I got it figured out. I was erasing Everything and trying to paste in your code when what I needed to do was just delete/paste over only the @-moz-document section and leave in the first 7 lines of header info. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpesangrea Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 3 minutes ago, Glitchfinder said: The high contrast of the site is another thing they've been actively engaging with people about in this thread, and I've been part of those conversations because I have issues with high contrast when I have migraines. There's been a back-and-forth about it all week, where the developers working on the UI are directly replying to people with screenshots of adjusted UI and requesting feedback on the adjustments and their impact re:eye strain and headaches. I don't think they're making much progress on that particular front, but I have seen them actually speaking with people and working on it. They should have just made it so we could customize the color scheme just like you can with vortex. I normally go out of my way to implement darkmodes even on sites that don't natively support them, and the mod search page is an eyesore. The design as-is flies right in the face of desirable color schemes-101. Super high-contrast setups are historically for people with vision impairments of some kind, and far from ideal for the general population. Anyone with any serious degree of experience in web design would know this. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glitchfinder Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 6 minutes ago, carpesangrea said: They should have just made it so we could customize the color scheme just like you can with vortex. I normally go out of my way to implement darkmodes even on sites that don't natively support them, and the mod search page is an eyesore. The design as-is flies right in the face of desirable color schemes-101. Super high-contrast setups are historically for people with vision impairments of some kind, and far from ideal for the general population. Anyone with any serious degree of experience in web design would know this. That point has been made very clear throughout the thread and in prior feedback on the same design changes they've been making. Unfortunately it appears from what they said that they've been working with someone with impaired vision to verify their designs, which skews everything towards super high contrast as the default. Several people have linked them to major accessibility guides covering the subject, and they've replied to those links as part of the same back-and-forth I mentioned earlier. We'll see if they come back from that mistake, but in the meantime the best we can do is offer suggestions that might actually be usable, without burying them in meandering discussions (such as this one) in the process. Thus, them moving posts out of this feedback thread and into topic-specific feedback threads if they deem those posts worth referencing. So far they're still on the first day of the thread, so they have a long way to go on that front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpesangrea Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 48 minutes ago, Glitchfinder said: working with someone with impaired vision to verify their designs, wtaf...you have got to be kidding me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NiteFromWindhelm Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 Checking back in to say that selecting a game in the my games section now drops you onto the games modding page instead of not closing itself after selecting. Glad that got fixed quickly as it probably was a small accident in the 1st place. I'm glad to see staff are being more active and hope to see that road map in the monthly round up or something similar. I do have a suggestion on that news article when it comes out, don't lock the comments and allow feedback on it. Not everyone uses or even checks the forums, so it'll be another decent spot for feedback. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kat1004 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 45 minutes ago, Glitchfinder said: That point has been made very clear throughout the thread and in prior feedback on the same design changes they've been making. Unfortunately it appears from what they said that they've been working with someone with impaired vision to verify their designs, which skews everything towards super high contrast as the default. Several people have linked them to major accessibility guides covering the subject, and they've replied to those links as part of the same back-and-forth I mentioned earlier. We'll see if they come back from that mistake, but in the meantime the best we can do is offer suggestions that might actually be usable, without burying them in meandering discussions (such as this one) in the process. Thus, them moving posts out of this feedback thread and into topic-specific feedback threads if they deem those posts worth referencing. So far they're still on the first day of the thread, so they have a long way to go on that front. If they're going to work with someone with impaired vision to verify their designs, they should make three "skins" for the site. One for a light-mode, one for a "pseudo-dark" mode based on the old UI's color scheme, and one high-contrast for vision-impaired users. The vast majority of people who use this site aren't vision-impaired - or at least, not to the extent that they actively need a high-contrast color scheme - so why harm the majority of users for the sake of the minority? I'm speaking as someone for whom vision-impairment is a well known issue due to having grown up with a vision-impaired parent who did need high-contrast to see (and used the BUILT-IN high contrast color scheme WINDOWS has), but also as someone for whom this new color scheme - even with their extremely minimal tweaking - is physically painful, to the point of not being able to use the site for more than 20 minutes at a time. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glitchfinder Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 5 minutes ago, kat1004 said: If they're going to work with someone with impaired vision to verify their designs, they should make three "skins" for the site. One for a light-mode, one for a "pseudo-dark" mode based on the old UI's color scheme, and one high-contrast for vision-impaired users. The vast majority of people who use this site aren't vision-impaired - or at least, not to the extent that they actively need a high-contrast color scheme - so why harm the majority of users for the sake of the minority? I'm speaking as someone for whom vision-impairment is a well known issue due to having grown up with a vision-impaired parent who did need high-contrast to see (and used the BUILT-IN high contrast color scheme WINDOWS has), but also as someone for whom this new color scheme - even with their extremely minimal tweaking - is physically painful, to the point of not being able to use the site for more than 20 minutes at a time. A good question, and one I've been wondering (and many people have been asking) ever since they first made the next.nexusmods domain public. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zloybelka Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 51 minutes ago, carpesangrea said: wtaf...you have got to be kidding me. Nope, the gotta follow some accessibility guidelines and whatnot that requires high contrast nowadays. For the rest of this discussion you can check last year's User Profiles thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven1417 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 8 hours ago, Happybara said: We are currently in the process of moving different bits of feedback into separate threads. This is so that we can better group your suggestions by theme, which will be more useful to us than one ever-expanding mega-thread. As always, we appreciate your continued feedback. You can find the new individual threads here: https://forums.nexusmods.com/forum/9063-suggestion-board/ That's great and all but can we just address some simple questions? 1. Why make a major overhaul to a site without having a functioning backup of the original? (If this isn't the case then Nexus staff are lying/misleading users about why restoring the old site isn't possible.) 2. Why push ahead with a major overhaul if the team working on it aren't experienced enough to ensure that accessibility and features would at the very least be relatively on par with the previous site? 3. Some staff have mentioned "other looks" that might be available down the track while also saying the old look will never return. Explain why staff are willing to make whole new looks for the site but not recreate the one that users actually want? 4. Will Nexus staff put up a poll, both here and on Reddit as well as any social media channels to actually see what the consensus is on the new site? 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HollownessDevoured Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 (edited) The only visually impaired induvial who backed the the new changes immensely to their vision needs last year, that seemed to just justify the new colour scheme changes, was just giving feedback, that I am aware. I do not think they had that specific individual in mind as their source or consulted them personally, unless that was just not mentioned. I think originally generic accessibility was the reasoning/excuse. I also questioned and asked why a minority group who usually already have in place adjustments to accommodate their specific narrowed and/or high(er) needs was more important than a seemingly larger group getting actually pain/discomfort. I tried very hard to be respectful to the individual last year, but even my attempts of asking for compromise caused them distress and upset, making the talks last year very difficult. That coupled with a very small sample pool of users who provided feedback gave the devs reason to ignore the high contrast/pain causing theme complaints (as well as other major complaints) and moved forward with the theme for the rest of the site a year later. This also had us question: why can't those with vision issues zoom in as they probably already do before and even after the update, and give us our 5th tile back (or more), since zooming out does not accomplish this with the new theme. The oversized UI and wasted space was also a very hot issue and concern a year ago. It was speculated but not confirmed, that accessibility was just the safeguard excuse for the new theme colours/sizing, and that the new theme was more so driven for mobile friendly/geared reasons, as high contrast on a phone/mobile device is not as painful/discomforting than PC view with the same theme/colours. Edited March 27 by HollownessDevoured grammar fixes 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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