Post-war Britain?

[imperialforce]

Politically it is, though many wish it wasn't. It is not part of the continent of Europe, there's 21 miles of sea between the UK and France. A continent is continuous mass of land, the word itself comes from the Latin terra continens (continuous land).

 

Nonsense, if that were the case every island in the world would be considered it's own continent. The continents are largely defined by the tectonic plates on which they reside, and the UK lies firmly WITHIN the limits of the Eurasian Continental Plate. Continuance of landmass is a secondary consideration. For the love of god people this is high school geography.

 

See; Map of Tectonic Plates and Global Continental Map.

 

I also find it quite laughable how many of my countrymen still bear such a hatred for being involved in Europe, either in a geographical or political sense, the sentiment behind which is a social construct initialised by propaganda in support of the Royalty's wars during the 16th and 17th centuries, carried through the Napoleonic Wars and WW1/2.

[0borderline]

From the Vault Wiki :

"The European Commonwealth is the Fallout equivalent of the real-world European Union integrated into one state-like entity (although it is not known which European states were its members; the only confirmed member was the United Kingdom). In 2052 Europe was dependent on oil exports from the Middle East and responded to rising oil prices with military action, starting the Resource Wars. It suggests that unlike today's EU, the EC had a military power. Some time after the war ended, as the Middle Eastern oil fields went dry in 2060, the European Commonwealth dissolved into quarreling nation states fighting for the remaining resources. "

BTW, if anyone got confused, I was asking about Britain in the Fallout world, not the real world. It seems pretty clear from this quote that Fallout-Europe wasn't part of the US-China war, and so probably wasn't hit by nuclear weapons.

 

The main reason I asked about Post-War Britain was that I'm planning a mod which will let you travel to Post-War Britain. I wanted to know if my knowlegde of Post-war Britain was right or wrong, since I was planning on creating Cities reclaimed by nature - choked with vegetation. From the sounds of it, the Fallout dev's have left lots of room for artistic license, which is always good.

 

Thanks for all the replies. :thumbsup:

 

The chance that at least Ireland wasn't hit too hard is very high, iirc Moriarty came from there.

lol, Post-War Guiness!

[JimboUK]

Politically it is, though many wish it wasn't. It is not part of the continent of Europe, there's 21 miles of sea between the UK and France. A continent is continuous mass of land, the word itself comes from the Latin terra continens (continuous land).

 

Nonsense, if that were the case every island in the world would be considered it's own continent. The continents are largely defined by the tectonic plates on which they reside, and the UK lies firmly WITHIN the limits of the Eurasian Continental Plate. Continuance of landmass is a secondary consideration. For the love of god people this is high school geography.

 

See; Map of Tectonic Plates and Global Continental Map.

 

I also find it quite laughable how many of my countrymen still bear such a hatred for being involved in Europe, either in a geographical or political sense, the sentiment behind which is a social construct initialised by propaganda in support of the Royalty's wars during the 16th and 17th centuries, carried through the Napoleonic Wars and WW1/2.

 

Go and look up "continent" in a dictionary, read what the word means then explain how the UK is part of the European continent. If you define continents by tectonic plates then the UK is on the same continent as China, part of Russia is in North America and India is a continent.

 

Not wishing to be part of Europe isn't the same as hating Europe, its about self determination, democracy (a concept alien to the bureaucrats in Brussels) and watching my taxes getting spent by foreign governments while people in this county are struggling to make ends meet.

[imperialforce]

Politically it is, though many wish it wasn't. It is not part of the continent of Europe, there's 21 miles of sea between the UK and France. A continent is continuous mass of land, the word itself comes from the Latin terra continens (continuous land).

 

Nonsense, if that were the case every island in the world would be considered it's own continent. The continents are largely defined by the tectonic plates on which they reside, and the UK lies firmly WITHIN the limits of the Eurasian Continental Plate. Continuance of landmass is a secondary consideration. For the love of god people this is high school geography.

 

See; Map of Tectonic Plates and Global Continental Map.

 

I also find it quite laughable how many of my countrymen still bear such a hatred for being involved in Europe, either in a geographical or political sense, the sentiment behind which is a social construct initialised by propaganda in support of the Royalty's wars during the 16th and 17th centuries, carried through the Napoleonic Wars and WW1/2.

 

Go and look up "continent" in a dictionary, read what the word means then explain how the UK is part of the European continent. If you define continents by tectonic plates then the UK is on the same continent as China, part of Russia is in North America and India is a continent.

 

Not wishing to be part of Europe isn't the same as hating Europe, its about self determination, democracy (a concept alien to the bureaucrats in Brussels) and watching my taxes getting spent by foreign governments while people in this county are struggling to make ends meet.

 

Nice, I like how you totally deflect the fact that Im correct, and have proven myself so, by repeating your earlier statement regarding the narrow definition in a dictionary. In every geological sense, the UK is a part of the continent of Europe. I know that must offend your UKIP-worshipping(Tory? I assume not considering how wishy-washy they are on Europe these days) sensibilities, but it is simple fact. They teach it as such in schools.

 

It seems as if you could do with remembering some of your English lessons as well as your Geography, remember something called "context"? Stating "hatred for being involved in Europe" is not the same as "hatred for Europe/Europeans", please stop trying to twist my words to fit your own preconceptions. In addition, I wasn't incorrect in the generalised sense my statements were intended; anti-European sentiment didn't factor at all in Britain until after our own Royal family's extensive propaganda campaigns a few hundred years ago. Indeed before then, people largely didn't care about anything beyond their own day-to-day existence, but our leaders needed a way to ensure the people didn't revolt while they threw peasant boys against the guns of their opponents, and so the "Lazy Continental" was invented, with his hatred for our way of life and etc etc, and it's never really dissipated. While you may have formed your opinions(whatever I think of them) based on detailed examination of the facts and careful analysis of the world political stage, the majority who adhere to any political philosophy do not. The majority believe whatever the Daily Mail(substitute chosen left-biased paper) has decided to tout as the next greatest threat to "British Culture/Way of Life".

 

As to the OP, you're correct in universe the UK is considered part of the major Eurozone collective government of the time, however I believe it's been stated by both the original Fallout creators and someone at Bethesda at some stage that, in their opinion, the bombs fell on every nuclear power due to the various MAD treaties and US missile bases on foreign soil etc etc. I believe the Beth. comment was in regards to Tenpenny.

[Qoma]

This is the most inane debate I have ever seen.

[JimboUK]

Oh dear, not being Pro European makes me a Tory does it? There are Eurosceptics on both the left and right, those who know about the E.U and who get their news from sources other than the BBC (who get funding from the E.U). I don't know if you pay tax or not but you really should take an interest in how your money is spent, we should not be subsidising other countries when the UK is as good as broke. We're facing huge spending cuts that will impact the most vulnerable in this country and yet we will hand over billions of pounds to other countries, how can that be right? Seriously switch off News24 and find a news source that isn't quite so bias.

 

The dictionary definition of a continent is the correct one, calling the UK part of continental Europe is wrong. I'll ask you again how can the British Isles be part of the continuous mass of land known as Europe?

[phoneyLogic]

Tecton-Technically Europe and Asia are indeed one continent, so called Eurasia.^^

So depending on the model you use, there are between 5 and 7 continents.

 

Yeah and England is a full part of the European Union...

 

... but not full member of the so-called Schengen Agreement

So they still have their own currency and so on.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/10/Schengen_Agreement_map.svg/400px-Schengen_Agreement_map.svg.png

blue=Schengen Area

[0borderline]

Hate to be a killjoy, but this is going really off topic. It's clear there are differing opinions as to whether or not Britain is part of Europe, and I don't think anyone's going to agree anytime soon. Plus the topic seems to be steering into Politics, in which no-one agrees anyway.

 

imperialforce does have a point, although there are conflicting opinions on what really happened. It does make sense that, Britain being an ally of America and having nuclear arms, would have somehow got involved in the war. Hell, everyone has ties to other countries, so it would also make sense if world war occured just from the US and China fighting.

 

But, like I said before, I'm just gonna use artistic license and pick a patch of Britain that wasn't likely to be a target of nuclear weapons, somewhere remote and unthreatening. A bit like Point Lookout, in a sense.

[AlienSlof]

Hate to be a killjoy, but this is going really off topic.

 

Exactly.

 

Time to take this one out and put it to sleep.

 

AS