ASCLEPUS Posted September 1, 2003 Share Posted September 1, 2003 Guys, you are really making me hungry. But where's the hot chocolate or the coffee? A nice latte would go well with all the sweets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eltiraaz Posted September 1, 2003 Share Posted September 1, 2003 Ok, I've been on vacation all weekend, and it looks like alot has been done while I've been away, so I'll try and catch up on what I can.. I am convinced that there are other many other universes - however, we have no way of perceiving them as we cannot look outside our own universe. His Dark Materials again?? ;) the bible (or any other religios text) should not be taken literally. I actually do agree with you on this. Many things written in the Bible (I'm using it as an example because I haven't read any other religious texts :P ) I believe are meant to be interpreted as analogies, and not literal meanings. For example in Revelations when John writes that the streets in heaven are paved with gold, he means that it will be so incredible, the only way he can put it into perspective is to use our most precious stuff to walk all over. I honestly don't believe he was implying God melted alot of gold and poured it into fillers to create roads. In fact I believe that Heaven and Hell aren't really comprehendable in a physical sense. Why would there be roads? Roads are a human invention, so why would God have a need for them? I think that they are places of spirituality, not physics. Heaven is being 'with' God in the spiritual sense of the word, and hell is complete seperation from Him spiritually. All of our senses like touch, smell and sight are corporeal, they are bound to our bodies on earth. In heaven God will give us new bodies with different senses. Anyways I've doddled on this one long enough... Is Christianity work of Aliens? Without going into details, I seriously doubt that. Aliens would probably act not too differently then us there and would want us to worship them and not a great and almight god. (Please no suggestions that God is an alien, because your right, He is extra-terrestrial, meaning not from earth :lol: ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamastor Posted September 1, 2003 Author Share Posted September 1, 2003 back to the nothingness and the blackhole, asuming that our universe is infinite, that it is expanding and that there are a finite number of universes then we must understand one thing: what lies beyond? this question puzzles many people becouse if the universe is expanding then what does it expand into? the answer is simple and complex. outside there is not even nothing, there is simply no existance. now even if there were (which leads us to either infinite universes or a weird theory of how dimentions colapse on them selves) it wouldnt matter becouse it couldnt effect us. now it is argueable that that would be where heaven and hell are but i wont go into that. as for black holes, these are also theory. **from here on is theory** the great thing about dark holes is that they dont alow light or any other elctromagnetic radiation reach us, therefore the 'dark' bit, and this makes them a bit harder to detect. one thing that does escape is a weird x-ray radiation. this is also a form of em radiation but is (thought to be) produced in a strange way: the particles gain energy as they spiral in which is then released as xrays just outside the event-horizon. black holes also seem to emit some particles in a weirder way: if you read my post a few posts back you'd know that particles can pop up out of nothing, and then destroy each other. well it is posible for one of these particles to get sucked in while the other can escape. this creates the ilusion of a black hole emiting matter. and now down to aliens. admiting that evolution does happen, that extra terrestrial life spawned roughly at the same time as ours did and that they would evolve at a similar rate, then they have a couple million years of head start on us: the whole giant reptile fiasco... we lost allot of time going there. this head start could easily get them a whole different mentality... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Reaper Posted September 2, 2003 Share Posted September 2, 2003 What if God is a Alien? :P :P Ok, Eltiraaz how do you explain other religions than yours? Once I saw an episode of Stargate about a black hole. A team was sent to a world but they didn´t know about a black hole there so they tried to open the gate to get back, and, here´s the strange thing, to the people on this side the gate was open for 30 minutes, but for the team it was open only for mere seconds! :blink: :blink: :blink: They´re explanation was that becuse of the extreme gravity generated by the Black hole time slowed down in its vicinity.Also, is it true that even light can´t escape it´s gravity?!What if black holes are white holes on the other side? ( Anyone knows from were do i know these white holes? :D ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamastor Posted September 2, 2003 Author Share Posted September 2, 2003 due to the ever favorite einstein we now know of the thoery of relitivity (normal and special but i dont know which is which). this stated that as you go faster time goes slower and all the length dimentions go at a whack. now i dont know which stargate episode that would be but ill assume that the planet is either being sucked in or just orbiting the black hole. either way it'll be going really really fast, slowing down time allot. ofcourse the actual gravity can also distory space dimentions but i dont know if it can directly affect time dimentions in a similar way...also black hole are black becouse reflected light doesnt get very far before falling back into the 'hole' due to the insane gravity.where as white holes are concerned, i dont know if it has any scientific basis whatsoever. the only reason the subject pops up every so often is becouse people figure that if mas goes in then where does it go? and the oposite of black is white so everything gets thrown out the white end... ill asume that gravity acts in every direction equally, so there would be only one way for mass to escape the black hole: the equally fun wormhole. the wormhole is said to conect to seperat locations in space (and maybe in time). the best way to explain would be with an ilustration.picture one would be a representation of flat space, just picture it goin on into the screen, out of it and both ways to the side(its a bit weird but this would be a 2d image of our 3 space dimentions, its weird i know but try to folow)... now imagine space was actually folded asin picture two, again goin of in every direction. now this is not imposible becouse we honestly wouldnt notice. now in space mass (and the gravity) create dents in space. if the "0" woud be a mass then the dent would look something like that (its just a keyboard dont expect miracles). if there were two masses on oposing sides of the folded space picture 3 is sorta what would happen. . if the masses were REALLY big, it might be possible to create a hole which would go in one side and out the other. not im just speculationg here but my guess would be that the two masses would atract each other and join in the center which, in the case of a black hole, still elave no escape... /\ / \ /\ | | \ / \/ | | 0 | 0 O O | | / \ /\____________ __/ \___ ___ 0 ____ __/ \___ ___/ \___ \_/ this is just one idea of how a wormhole would work, but there is another intresting idea out. space is said to be foaming out of little holes of sort. if we could pull (further) open such a hole we might use it to travel. a machine to do this has already been created but to open up a measurable hole we would need the energy of an exploding star, which is just a tiny bit more (please notice the irony) than your averige powerplant. this ofcourse is just plain stupid becouse we could never test the machine, but atleast the thoery is there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Reaper Posted September 2, 2003 Share Posted September 2, 2003 where as white holes are concerned, i dont know if it has any scientific basis whatsoever.Theta knows what i´m talking about! ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThetaOrionis01 Posted September 2, 2003 Share Posted September 2, 2003 So what is it? :lol: Indeed I do...Red Dwarf!!!! Special Relativity deals with the phenomena which occur when an event is viewed from different frames of reference - eg moving and at rest. So time passes more slowly for the observer in the moving timeframe than for the observer at rest. General Relativity describes gravity as a property of spacetime - spacetime curves under the influence of gravity. This curvature also effects light passing by - light deflection by gravity has been experimentally verified and measured. The gravitational deflection of light cause by a black hole is such that any light emitted from the black hole isn't simply deflected, it curves back on itself into. However, something can indeed escape from black holes. Quantum mechanically every photon inside the black hole has a non-zero - if small - probability of being found outside the black hole. So black holes can 'evaporate'. As for wormholes, theoretically they are possible. A black hole constitutes a rip in the fabric of spacetime. The mathematical solutions for the equations describing a back hole point to the existence of a mirror universe on the other side. Furthermore, spinning black holes have the property that when approached along the rotational axis gravity isn't infinite....so theoretically, a technology advanced enough could use this property to travel through the rip into whatever lies beyond... So what is it? :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Reaper Posted September 2, 2003 Share Posted September 2, 2003 Uau, you people know so much!You gotta love Cat! :P Does anyone know what happens to matter when it enters a black hole? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zmid Posted September 6, 2003 Share Posted September 6, 2003 Does anyone know what happens to matter when it enters a black hole? *VERY WEAK JOKE ALERT* Does it matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zmid Posted September 6, 2003 Share Posted September 6, 2003 Does anyone know what happens to matter when it enters a black hole?*VERY WEAK JOKE ALERT*Did you bang your head on something!!! :angry: :angry:I don´t remenber asking you anything. :angry:Does it matter?Typical american answer to everything! <_< ps:If you dont have questions or answers about the topic, please refrain from posting here. Sorry???!!!??? Did YOU bang your head on something???? The very weak joke alert was for my FOLLOWING COMMENT, not anything anyone else said. P.S. I'm NOT American. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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