Broken Borders

[Aurielius]

It is a generally accepted contention that we are facing once again an Immigration Crisis. The United States currently has borders that are among the most porous in the world. There is no first world state that does not have an Immigration Quota system which is intended to control an unfettered influx of foreign nationals. We in the US are a nation that was founded on immigration since with the possible exception of the Native Americans who migrated here themselves and are all either Immigrants or descendants of Immigrants. In reality only the Buffalo are actually indigenous natives.

 

However since 1921 with the passage of the Emergency Quota act and the subsequent Immigration Act of 1924 we set quotas of how many of any particular nationality we would accept within a calendar year. In 1965 there was superseding legislation passed, The Immigration and Nationality Act attempted to rectify inequalities between admission of Europeans and Third World citizens. The Immigration Act of 1990 increased by 40% the total quota of Legal Immigrants.

 

There have been attempts to make the border less porous and frankly the results are desultory. The so called Wall is about as effective to stopping border crossing as the Maginot Line was to impeding the Wehrmacht invading France. Some have contended that if we just legalize the illegals who are already here those would solve the issue. Canada in 70’s thought that they had approximately 1-2 million Illegals and by passing a onetime bill (The Canadian Citizenship Act of 1976) thought that would solve the issue. However, subsequently discovered that the real total was closer to 8 Million. Oddly enough our more liberal neighbors to the north have better control currently than we do on their Landed Immigrants but the current totals of their illegals is now only a speculative number.

 

Our current President through the use of Executive Orders has bypassed Congress (once again) by implementing portions of the so called Dream Act which allows children of non contiguous nations to stay without facing the same procedures that we enforce on Canadian and Mexican nationals. In 2012 our Executive announced his Justice Dept. would implement Deferred Action for Childhood Arrival which has resulted in a massive influx of Central American children. Any American who is not aware that there is a crisis along the Border States must be living in a cave.

 

We now have a de facto Catch and Release method for Illegals. The proportion that actually show up for their status hearings is less than 25%, that is totally a ridiculous method of dealing with the crisis. The National Guard could be called up in the Border States to assist the already overwhelmed Border Patrol but that requires executive action which in this off season election year is unlikely. There are critiques of the Wall but it has never been what it should have been. A real deterrent barrier might work but it has to stretch the entire border and be a defense in depth. We could fast track deportations which would also send an unmistakable message. The plain fact is that everyone worldwide wants a better qualitative standard of living but it is not our responsibility to provide that to people who do not respect the process of entry. Economic hardship in the country of origin is not grounds for asylum. Local sanctuary municipalities should be taken to Federal Court for exceeding their statutory authority.

 

We need solutions not another temporary fix, so that is where I leave you to discuss.

[Vagrant0]

Welcome to politics... there is the story they tell people and the way things actually are. The fact of the matter is that as long as we allow people to get work and housing with relatively few credentials, have gaping loopholes in our social policies regarding aid, and have states which are essentially safehavens for illegal immigrants, the problem will remain. Other countries do not have as severe immigration issues because they require documents and checks with government agencies in order to get even basic labor jobs. Politicians know about it, but look the other way because it gets them votes from those groups, and gets them money from those companies that benefit from these policies.

[HeyYou]

No other country grants citizenship to babies born within their borders to illegal immigrants.

 

We have tried amnesty in the past to 'solve' this particular problem, each time, the number of illegals coming into the country ROSE. We need to actually adequately control our borders, take a much harsher stance on illegals, those that hire them, and those that shelter them. If you are here illegal, and you get caught, you get deported. End of story. No welfare, no free health care, no drivers license, nothing. A bus ticket out. That's it.

[ginnyfizz]

No other country grants citizenship to babies born within their borders to illegal immigrants.

 

 

 

Oh really?

 

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/466039/Illegal-Immigrant-Mohammed-Zulfiqar-fights-deportation-on-human-rights-grounds

 

It seems that the UK does. It's a much used exploit in order to stay here in the UK and screw the benefits system. Ask Abu Hamza now that you have him over there...we're still paying his wife and kids.

[HeyYou]

 

No other country grants citizenship to babies born within their borders to illegal immigrants.

 

 

 

Oh really?

 

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/466039/Illegal-Immigrant-Mohammed-Zulfiqar-fights-deportation-on-human-rights-grounds

 

It seems that the UK does. It's a much used exploit in order to stay here in the UK and screw the benefits system. Ask Abu Hamza now that you have him over there...we're still paying his wife and kids.

 

Wow. Another country with politicians as stupid as the US, I must say, I AM surprised....

[Harbringe]

Actually most (vast majority) of Nations in the New World practice jus soli (right of soil) . In Old World only Pakistan , Cambodia , Swaziland and a few Pacific island Nations have it . While a few like Britain , France , Germany practice a limited form of jus soli . Britain for example has it so that one of the child's parents must be of British citizenship or of legal settled status (as in permanent status) for their children to qualify for citizenship . Its been that way since 1983.

[HeyYou]

Actually most (vast majority) of Nations in the New World practice jus soli (right of soil) . In Old World only Pakistan , Cambodia , Swaziland and a few Pacific island Nations have it . While a few like Britain , France , Germany practice a limited form of jus soli . Britain for example has it so that one of the child's parents must be of British citizenship or of legal settled status (as in permanent status) for their children to qualify for citizenship . Its been that way since 1983.

Does that also apply to children of illegals in most countries??

 

Edit: Looked it up, about two dozen countries have unrestricted jus soli. A few more have restricted versions. (one parent must already be a citizen, or, at the very least, in the country LEGALLY) And India completely abolished it because of...... illegal immigration..... Imagine that.

Edited July 10, 2014 by HeyYou

[JimboUK]

You think you've got it bad, the UK might as well not have borders, people from anywhere in the world can buy EU citizenship from one of the less stringent EU states and then walk right into the UK, get welfare, housing, free healthcare, you name it.

[HeyYou]

I suspect that UK isn't going to be a member state for much longer.......

 

We don't even have a "north american union", and our borders might just as well not even be patrolled, for all the good it does. Even when the feds CATCH illegals, 9 times out of 10 they are released again, and told to "show up for your hearing", which less than 25% do... the rest are still here.....

 

The US needs to take a hard line on illegals, and start deporting them wholesale. No hearings, no catch and release, nada. Just a bus/plane ticket back to your country of origin.

[JimboUK]

It'll cost a a lot of money but I think you need to build a bloody great wall, a modern version of the great Chinese one across your southern border. As for the UK, 10 years tops before we leave, probably sooner.