Keanumoreira Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 (Ignore the title, it has nothing to do with the topic, its about a paradox, not a butterfly effect.)Now we've all heard of time travel, a thought that by bending time and space, traveling faster than the speed of light, or entering a wormhole, we can defy physics and return to the past, or travel to times not yet experienced. Although traveling to the future causes no harm, a trip to the past could be a death sentence. Scientists propose that if, somehow, humans could visit the past, every move they make will effect their future and beyond. Scientists insist that just a simple stroke of a leaf, the movement of a rock, the accidental death of a misquito, could change the time your currently from. But is this true, can time be altered by going back, or does our presence in a past time even matter at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maharg67 Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 I like your question, Keanumoreira, but the 'butterfly effect' is linked to chaos theory. Can a butterfly in South America, flapping its wings, end up causing a storm to happen in Europe? In theory everything is linked together as in cause and effect but there are a multitude of causes and effects. Could there be domino effects happening all the time. I hope I have explained myself properly and have understood it so. As for time travel, what you speak of is called 'time paradox' and it is very complicated. If we go into the past can we alter the present and if so, could we have existed in the first place so as to go into the past and effect the change? Or do we create alternate time lines by such interference. Very complicated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoshi23 Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 My advice is to get some real knowledge by mixing with someone who is in the recognition of what quantum actually is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keanumoreira Posted April 30, 2010 Author Share Posted April 30, 2010 You know hoshi, just because someone is confused with a topic of some sort, doesn't mean you should kick them down for it. All I heard was that the butterfly effect has something to do with the past and the current present, sorry if I didn't actually grasp the full concept. I apologize if my understanding on the matter isn't equal to that of others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoshi23 Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 You know hoshi, just because someone is confused with a topic of some sort, doesn't mean you should kick them down for it. All I heard was that the butterfly effect has something to do with the past and the current present, sorry if I didn't actually grasp the full concept. I apologize if my understanding on the matter isn't equal to that of others.Kick you down? Where am i kicking you down? Apology for what? All i am trying to do is open up new horizons. You heard stuff that is ok, but id love for poepel to get to the acutalisation of it rather then being stuck with theory. Tell me when things get actualised? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keanumoreira Posted April 30, 2010 Author Share Posted April 30, 2010 Perhaps I took it the wrong way, perhaps its because I'm having the worst day ever thanks to a certain girl at school who won't be mentioned because of her double crossing nature.... Anyway, I'm sorry for that, I usually take suggestions with open arms, not hostility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maharg67 Posted May 1, 2010 Share Posted May 1, 2010 My advice is to get some real knowledge by mixing with someone who is in the recognition of what quantum actually is. Quantum mechanics? Hoshi23, in what context are you speaking? There is quantum mechanics, chaos theory and there is time paradox. Talking of time paradox does not need quantum mechanics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoshi23 Posted May 1, 2010 Share Posted May 1, 2010 My advice is to get some real knowledge by mixing with someone who is in the recognition of what quantum actually is. Quantum mechanics? Hoshi23, in what context are you speaking? There is quantum mechanics, chaos theory and there is time paradox. Talking of time paradox does not need quantum mechanics.Well but the anchor point is you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kefuie Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 (Ignore the title, it has nothing to do with the topic, its about a paradox, not a butterfly effect.)Now we've all heard of time travel, a thought that by bending time and space, traveling faster than the speed of light, or entering a wormhole, we can defy physics and return to the past, or travel to times not yet experienced. Although traveling to the future causes no harm, a trip to the past could be a death sentence. Scientists propose that if, somehow, humans could visit the past, every move they make will effect their future and beyond. Scientists insist that just a simple stroke of a leaf, the movement of a rock, the accidental death of a misquito, could change the time your currently from. But is this true, can time be altered by going back, or does our presence in a past time even matter at all?Hi there hoshi, if that thing was true, I would rather turn back the time where I wish I could spend more time hugging my father Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosisab Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 Maharg is right to the point the named butterfly effect is related to chaos theory. It's based on non linear system where there is no way to achieve precision (enough significant digits) for the initial conditions which would allow deterministic repeatability for the consequences. Notice the term "deterministic", BTW lack of it, hasn't the same meaning as in quantum physics (although these two boundaries are a lot gray where they works on probabilities). One could think the indeterminism from quantum mechanics is intrinsic while in chaos theory the unpredictability depends most on external influences and interrelations... and rounding in the conditions, as more 'severe' as nearest the initial conditions rounding. That means the cumulative effects could add and grow and propagate for longs distances. In the butterfly effect it would be a minimal fluctuation in the wind which could act on 'bottlenecks' as a valve, modulating the main flux... and so on... So, it's not related with time paradox, at least I know about none with that description. Yet by it's own nature is not even a postulate but an speculation on possibilities. More, it could be seen as an example for the laity about many chaos theory phenomena's unpredictability. Nature is the ultimate balance on earth, so and fortunately, most interactions between smalls and bigs effects are damping and diluting. Other way the butterfly would cause the extinction of the planet's life as we know it :sweat: unless we help it utterly, as we already did too much :unsure: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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