Afghanistan, Iraq, who next

[ObsidianKnight]

I knew I would start a flame war but I've seen too many people hurt beacause of Muslims. Sorry abot the post I was probably too mean. But I still think the suicide bomber are cowerdly. Perhaps im just ignorant, Wich i will admit I may be. And my father is like that and whether I like it or not He is going to be a chunk of me for the rest of my life. Onece again i'm sorry.

Mr Pangburn, your logic is irresponsible and totally wrong. Are you implying that Muslims are evil? If so, you follow a terrorists logic: that all christians/non-muslims/americans/whatever are evil and must be exterminated.

 

You're perfectly right. War is NOT a light subject. That is why it is irresponsible and ignorant to rant and rave about so grave a problem.

 

Although killing yourself to enforce your beliefs is very brave, its cowardly and foolish to kill yourself to rather than to try to fix things.

Why kill yourself when you can protest? A peaceful protest is much more powerful than a suicide bombing. A bombing will invite retaliation, which invites more bombings.

 

My predictions for who might be next

1 Iran (ive read some really bad things about state-sponsored terrorism)

2 North Korea (if things go horribly wrong with negotiations)

[ThetaOrionis01]

I knew I would start a flame war but I've seen too many people hurt beacause of Muslims. Sorry abot the post I was probably too mean. But I still think the suicide bomber are cowerdly. Perhaps im just ignorant, Wich i will admit I may be. And my father is like that and whether I like it or not He is going to be a chunk of me for the rest of my life. Onece again i'm sorry.

Have you ever considered how much you have to oppress people, how much you have to deprive of them of justice and even the hope of ever getting justice to breed such hatred that people turn to suicide bombing?

 

Some people seem all too ready to ascribe suicide bombings to religious motives - perhaps they don't want to see the injustice which IMO is the major contributing factor.

 

And there is outrageous injustice perpetrated around the world, and much of it with US backing.

[Malchik]

Mr Pangburn

 

I don't believe the responses you have received were 'flaming'.

 

You are no doubt young and are brought up as most US children are on what the US government feeds them through the news.

 

I have spent a lot of time in the US - I have been to all 50 states, all except Alaska at least twice, and have stayed in every kind of settlement from private house on a Navajo reservation to the Waldorf Astoria New York.

 

The people are hospitable, friendly and more outgoing than in many countries. Unfortunately only a few Americans in percentage terms have any understanding of the world outside their country. Many do not seem particularly interested in what goes on in another state!

 

This is not intended as a criticism. In a country of that size with only two land neighbours 'the world' seems far away. But it becomes a problem when a US citizen feels the need to say something about this 'world'. Only a very few US newspapers/ tv/ radio programmes are not so heavily government orientated that the reports can be considered anything other than brainwashing. And I have American cousins who were brought up through the school and university system who would support me completely.

 

There are enlightened Americans, I know many. Even within the US there are critical voices and unbiased reports but usually when someone has the guts to object they are branded unpatriotic by the ignorant millions.

 

Do as others have suggested, read what the rest of the world is saying, not just what the US press tells you. When you are old enough, travel the world to find out what it is really like. Only then will you be in a position to take a strong stance based on experience.

 

And when you have a moment, compare the number of murders committed in an average year in any US city with the number of non-military Americans who have died by terrorist action outside the US ever. It might come as a shock to you.

 

The destruction of the World Trade Centre - a building I have visited many times - was a terrible thing. I do not support terrorism any more than I support war. But retaliation, 'revenge' is counterproductive since it does no more than cause the whole thing to escalate.

 

You are young enough to learn from the mistakes the Bush administration is making. If the planet survives his undemocratic behaviour, you and those of your age are the ones who can change the world for the better. And it's never too early to start to become aware.

 

Have a good one!

[Faust870]

I knew I would start a flame war but I've seen too many people hurt beacause of Muslims. Sorry abot the post I was probably too mean. But I still think the suicide bomber are cowerdly. Perhaps im just ignorant, Wich i will admit I may be. And my father is like that and whether I like it or not He is going to be a chunk of me for the rest of my life. Onece again i'm sorry.

Pangburn my friend, using the excuse that your father is like that, so hes going to be part of you forever, is an extremely petty excuse for your actions... we have our own brains, and when we reach a certain age, we think what we want how we want, and we really no longer reflect a single person. We become ourselves...i am nothing like my father, or mother, and the created me, im my own person. I dont believe in my fathers morals...or his believes...be yourself, not someone else

[Akrid]

Some of you know what I do for a living, technically I don't have a opinion in the matter politically, but I think because of a governments need to keep secrets they become misinterpreted, maybe Bush isn't the boss, he is just a part, the U.S. government is not a dictatorship poised towards some evil plot, for if we where there be no country to invade. No country want’s to be invaded, especially when it's to take out the head. In WW2 Germans and Americans hated each other’s guts. But do the Germans look back on the Nazi regime and think, "damn Americans, if they didn't get involved we would have ruled the world" Hitler would have killed so many, Genocide would have a new definition "global cleansing". Vietnam I admit was poorly planned and we should have never been involved. Now wars are different, there all about politics, it's sick. To think I go to free a country under tyranny and die for these people who hate me (in general), We practice restraint unlike any other nation has ever before, We made every effort to spare life, to capture instead of kill, and the same ones we let go turn around and attack us. We treated enemy solders very well, better than I live; trust me (terrorist are given no such respect). Then when an American is captured he's mutilated and murdered on T.V. absolutely sick, and primitive. The fact is the evil is on both sides; we kill each other then complain about it. But there has been no full scale war, complain all you like about America being evil, we did not take off the gloves, in real war evil is allowed. (Really the geneva convention goes out the window, hopefully never, but likely in future)

 

(Haven't figured out the paste somebody’s message thing)

 

"Do as others have suggested, read what the rest of the world is saying, not just what the US press tells you. When you are old enough, travel the world to find out what it is really like. Only then will you be in a position to take a strong stance based on experience.

 

And when you have a moment, compare the number of murders committed in an average year in any US city with the number of non-military Americans who have died by terrorist action outside the US ever. It might come as a shock to you."

 

Malchik, You seem convinced of a massive U.S. conspiracy to cover us from the rest of the world, I get around the world, there is as much propaganda anywhere, even France the nation I suppose that has it all right.

 

Then you speak of murders, sure America has murders, like all over the world poverty breeds crime (known fact) and Oh my, what do know the poor countries are full of crime (Africa, Russian provinces, the Middle East, Eastern Europe, Mexico, Cuba and so on) And yes tribal war killing men woman and children, those count as crimes also. You would love to make America seem like a brain washing device but it is not. America is a nation that wants to be free, sorry if that's evil, and I am so sorry if our selfless act's of humanitarianism to free the world of people who use their religion as a means to justify murder offends you. Go ahead and say all you want about my government no other country is any better.

[Incanus]

We'll go after whomever Israel wants us to go after. Our current admin blows the Israelis 3 times a day. Actually, according to Bush's closest Christian friends, that is all America will be used for until the bitter end. The rest of his friends are Jewish(about 70% of his administration). ;)

 

 

 

So far, just 500+ American lives lost, 40,000 Iraqi lives lost( a drop in the bucket compared to the 1,000,000 lost during the 12 years of sanctions. But don't forget, there were more than 10,000 Americans who died from Gulf War Syndrome, and our current occupying forces are in a lot closer to the fallout, and there for a longer time. So, I figure there'll be about 50,000 Americans lost over the next decade or so. :rip:

[Incanus]

Mr. Pangburn,

 

Do you have any clue of the level of Bush Administration involvement in the Sept. 11 coup-d'etat. There are publicly available documents in which Bush adminners voice a DESIRE for a "catalyzing event, like a NEW PEARL HARBOR" in order to carry out their plans to remilitarize America. THAT IS EVIL! These adminners are 70% Jewish, and the other 30% are Zionist fanatics and businessmen with large investment interests in war. WAKE UP CALL! Yoo-hoo... :whistling:

[Peregrine]

Enough of this anti-Bush, anti-Jewish trolling. I'm far from his biggest fan, but even I won't accuse him of something that evil. So in summary, grow up and stop getting your "facts" from conspiracy websites.