Beginners guide to modding

[gromulos]

I appreciate you explaining what you've learned recently, so it may be helpful as well for you to improve your guide. What I've learned from others in this short term is that the problem is not about cleaning specific files. It's rather about cleaning specific types of records.

 

Per source, ITM records are harmless and UDR's are not. Deleted navmeshes are also harmful but wouldn't fit in a beginners guide. E.g. immersive fallen trees mod had this problem until more experienced users helped the mod author by adding navmeshes so NPC's could see the fallen tress and cross them (source: search this topic for "deleted navmeshes").

 

I understand all of that but it honestly doesn't belong in a beginner's guide. There are PLENTY of guides out there on how to clean files. My guide is not about that and most likely will never include info for that aspect of modding. This guide is for beginners, I MAY add another guide in the future that details more info for more things, but I want to keep this guide simple, clean, and easy for a beginner to use.

[vwmc]

 

I appreciate you explaining what you've learned recently, so it may be helpful as well for you to improve your guide. What I've learned from others in this short term is that the problem is not about cleaning specific files. It's rather about cleaning specific types of records.

 

Per source, ITM records are harmless and UDR's are not. Deleted navmeshes are also harmful but wouldn't fit in a beginners guide. E.g. immersive fallen trees mod had this problem until more experienced users helped the mod author by adding navmeshes so NPC's could see the fallen tress and cross them (source: search this topic for "deleted navmeshes").

 

I understand all of that but it honestly doesn't belong in a beginner's guide. There are PLENTY of guides out there on how to clean files. My guide is not about that and most likely will never include info for that aspect of modding. This guide is for beginners, I MAY add another guide in the future that details more info for more things, but I want to keep this guide simple, clean, and easy for a beginner to use.

 

 

If you understand "all of that", it's confusing why you didn't explain that before. Instead, you sent me to a popular Gopher video that contradicts your guide, saying you're not sure yourself about the subject:

 

ok there are only 2 people I trust when a situation comes up like this one where there is some question as to what should be done

 

Jannifer from Nexus Chat on Discord, btw congrats on making moderator :D

and

Gopher from youtube, so with that said, follow THIS video and do exactly as Gopher says

 

 

I will say this, personally I don't agree with cleaning the master files, BUT, I can see the advantage to it

 

It doesn't add up either with the following comment you made a few hours ago:

 

 

As for the cleaning vanilla masters files I have come to the conclusion that YES the DLC's should be cleaned, but even though many sources say to clean the Update.esm, I suggest that you DO NOT. The Update.esm is an extension of the Skyrim.esm and I honestly don't know of a single source that says to clean the Skyrim.esm, in fact, EVERY person who has cleaned the Skyrim.esm in the past, that I know of, has had to reinstall their Skyrim game as it breaks the file. So since the Update.esm is an extension of the Skyrim.esm, my personal advice is ---- DO NOT clean the Update.esm. To many times in the past I've seen people who cleaned the Update.esm have problems and then those problems went away when they reverted to an Uncleaned Update.esm. Anyway, that's just my personal experience with cleaning the vanilla files and helping other people setup their games.

 

 

Still, I appreciate your intention in being helpful. Good luck! :)

[gromulos]

 

 

I appreciate you explaining what you've learned recently, so it may be helpful as well for you to improve your guide. What I've learned from others in this short term is that the problem is not about cleaning specific files. It's rather about cleaning specific types of records.

 

Per source, ITM records are harmless and UDR's are not. Deleted navmeshes are also harmful but wouldn't fit in a beginners guide. E.g. immersive fallen trees mod had this problem until more experienced users helped the mod author by adding navmeshes so NPC's could see the fallen tress and cross them (source: search this topic for "deleted navmeshes").

 

I understand all of that but it honestly doesn't belong in a beginner's guide. There are PLENTY of guides out there on how to clean files. My guide is not about that and most likely will never include info for that aspect of modding. This guide is for beginners, I MAY add another guide in the future that details more info for more things, but I want to keep this guide simple, clean, and easy for a beginner to use.

 

 

If you understand "all of that", it's confusing why you didn't explain that before. Instead, you sent me to a popular Gopher video that contradicts your guide, saying you're not sure yourself about the subject:

 

ok there are only 2 people I trust when a situation comes up like this one where there is some question as to what should be done

 

Jannifer from Nexus Chat on Discord, btw congrats on making moderator :D

and

Gopher from youtube, so with that said, follow THIS video and do exactly as Gopher says

 

 

I will say this, personally I don't agree with cleaning the master files, BUT, I can see the advantage to it

 

It doesn't add up either with the following comment you made a few hours ago:

 

 

As for the cleaning vanilla masters files I have come to the conclusion that YES the DLC's should be cleaned, but even though many sources say to clean the Update.esm, I suggest that you DO NOT. The Update.esm is an extension of the Skyrim.esm and I honestly don't know of a single source that says to clean the Skyrim.esm, in fact, EVERY person who has cleaned the Skyrim.esm in the past, that I know of, has had to reinstall their Skyrim game as it breaks the file. So since the Update.esm is an extension of the Skyrim.esm, my personal advice is ---- DO NOT clean the Update.esm. To many times in the past I've seen people who cleaned the Update.esm have problems and then those problems went away when they reverted to an Uncleaned Update.esm. Anyway, that's just my personal experience with cleaning the vanilla files and helping other people setup their games.

 

 

Still, I appreciate your intention in being helpful. Good luck! :smile:

 

 

That's because unlike a lot of people I am willing to:

 

1) learn

 

2) change my opinion

 

3) Admit when I was wrong

 

Although I STILL say the Update.esm should NOT be cleaned lol :P

[Skybroom]

I would like to have this clearified regarding ENB: Wrye Bash makes is empty (patch), which should always be last in your load order unless you're using an ENB . I am using ENB, so where should I put the Wrye Bash patch to?

[PeterMartyr]

Who said the Bash Patch is empty?

 

Dear God learn how to build your Patches!

[gromulos]

I would like to have this clearified regarding ENB: Wrye Bash makes is empty (patch), which should always be last in your load order unless you're using an ENB . I am using ENB, so where should I put the Wrye Bash patch to?

 

The bashed patch should always be last UNLESS you are using an ENB. For some ENB's the mod author tells you on the description page exactly where the ENB files go, and in some cases those files go below the bashed patch. It actually depends on WHICH ENB you are using and the mod authors instructions.

 

 

 

Who said the Bash Patch is empty?

 

Dear God learn how to build your Patches!

 

 

The bashed patch that comes with a fresh install of WRYE ( no matter what version or game ) is ALWAYS empty, This is why the very first time you run Wrye it throws up an error telling you exactly this. Then YOU the user have to build your patch after all your mods are installed, instructions on how ARE in this guide.

[Skybroom]

The ENB I have in use have no esp, so nothing to see in a loadorder. All the ENB files are situated in the game directory, while all the other mods are ruled by Mod Organizer. What about MO? Is it compatible with Wrye Bash?

Thanks for your quick responce.

 

By the way, I guess I handled an interior dialogue problem I asked to help with. At least Understone Keep is clear for making a conversation with any NPC :) I got rid of a few relationship mods. Still having a high chance for CTD during a dialogue with Arvel the Swift in the depth of Bleak Falls Barrow.

[gromulos]

MO should work fine with Wrye, I've never heard of it not doing so

 

Just remember the bashed patch HAS to be last with the few exceptions noted

[Viscte]

For whatever reason the mod manager keeps saying it's not configured right so I've decided to just install mods manually. The problem I'm having is that I don't know where to put them. I have mods like Killer SSS patch for RealVision ENB, Real Vision ENB, Open CIties, Sharpshooter classic version, Skyrim Distance Overhaul and others and I'm very confused. Some say they go in your data folder and others say to put them right in your skyrim Directory while others don't say what to do with them at all. How do I install these mods with so many files and folders in each. It's very confusing, thanks for the help

[gromulos]

For whatever reason the mod manager keeps saying it's not configured right so I've decided to just install mods manually. The problem I'm having is that I don't know where to put them. I have mods like Killer SSS patch for RealVision ENB, Real Vision ENB, Open CIties, Sharpshooter classic version, Skyrim Distance Overhaul and others and I'm very confused. Some say they go in your data folder and others say to put them right in your skyrim Directory while others don't say what to do with them at all. How do I install these mods with so many files and folders in each. It's very confusing, thanks for the help

 

 

Gopher is considered to be one of the best in the modding tutorial area

Edited May 27, 2017 by gromulos