I have one MAJOR issue with this game

[Delusibeta]

I also don't want to buy a game, just to have to download it's actual contents off the net thank you very much. I'm capped, another scam in and of itself. I will not buy another STEAM game again. My choice, you're free to have yours.

 

http://www.thenexusf..._1#entry2215753

 

Enough said. (I really should put that link in my sig...)

 

I maintain my opinion that people complaining about having to download the game from the web must have done something wrong, but there's the fix. Certainly, I can confirm that the retail disc does contain the game files. (i.e. It worked for me.)

[BooneoftheWasteland]

Would have helped after the fact no? Oh and you clearly missed the point. :confused:

[C0rrup73d]

Would have helped after the fact no? Oh and you clearly missed the point. :confused:

It seems a lot of people are missing the point.

[Frontsalat]

In fact, all the rants about Steam are very funny to me. And in fact, they all doesn't make sense. It's just like the classic moan about newly invented stuff from people that can't go with the future. What do you think would have happened if we listen to the complaints, when the first PC was selled? Right, you wouldn't even be able to start your rant here. Ranting about Steam not giving you enough security is just as senseless as arguing about Microsoft not giving a safe internet. It's your system, go buy proper antivirus software. If you're concerned about Trojans that infect your computer, or Steam that "hacks" it, why in gods name even deal with modern computers and the internets at all? I'm sure most of you guys use Google, right? You know that if you use Google, you get constantly "hacked"?

 

Let me explain it like this. If you buy a car, do you get safety insurance for free, or is it you that has to get the insurance? It's the same with game developers. Game developing costs money, if you want the software companies to pay for everything then we probably would never see games on the market. Deal with the fact that work, blood and sweet has been put into New Vegas, just as every other game that ever saw it's release and game developers just as the publishers want to get their reward for the work they did. Why do you expect to get payed at your job but refuse to accept that thoose guys also want money? Why do you want as much comfort as possible at your job, but refuse to grant Bethesda customers the same benefit with the usage of Steam. It's a paradoxon to me, really can't comprehend this.

 

So heres what I advice you to do:

 

1. Get a faster internet (like ADSL), it's cheap theese days everywhere on the planet, except Iraq or Afghanistan maybe.

2. Use Steam, it's your friend just as Google is. Ranting about it just lets you look like a extremely paranoid conservative.

3. Get New Vegas like the developers want it to be and play it like they want it...or...make your own New Vegas.

 

Theres another thing you could do, which you've already mentioned in the topic starter post, but that would make you a pirat. And if you argue about Steam not being "morally correct", then think about what you would be, if you pirat the game...spell it...P.A.R.A.D.O.X.O.N...rant without sense just for the sake of ranting...got you... :tongue:

[magnanimousmudd]

Wait, but you said something about updating. There have been like, 2 updates since release. And it doesn't even really affect your internet connection while not updating because you aren't really doing much besides being connected to the service.

 

Don't over exaggerate (What it feels like to me when people talk about steam eating up one resource or another)

[C0rrup73d]

1. Get a faster internet (like ADSL), it's cheap theese days everywhere on the planet, except Iraq or Afghanistan maybe.

That's the problem. Some people don't have access to internet.

[gregcoll]

I have been waiting for the initial ‘big’ bugs to be dealt with before even considering the purchase of this game. I have played many, many games (think all the way back to Missile Command, Space Invaders, etc.) I have watched as this niche known as gaming has grown from what can only be considered a time-wasting enterprise to a lifestyle complete with factions and paid team members.

 

I have been, well… lurking if you will, so that I might observe the reactions of those of you who have purchased on day one so that I might possibly learn something useful. I very rarely post anything as I have noticed that quite a lot of topics and comments become a battlefield, usually with both sides losing and the point lost. I don’t have the time (and don’t like) to argue and there is also the fact that I haven’t yet played and could not contribute if I wanted. I have noticed that there have been quite a few threads on this particular subject (Steam). I have to say that its requirement is also one of the main reasons that I am hesitant to purchase the game. I shall try to elaborate on this to make it understandable without kicking sand in anyone’s face, if possible.

 

There are those of you who have cited (quite correctly) many advantages in having a Steam account. I won’t list them here for the sake of brevity, but for those of you who don’t think that the site has any redeeming qualities, I urge you to check the threads, visit the Steam website, read reviews, etc. Knowledge is power.

 

There is also the side who finds fault with this ‘counter-measure’ to piracy attempts. The shortcomings of this service have also been well documented. Now, being an owner of Half-life 2, I have had some unhappy moments with Steam in the past. I certainly don’t hold my previous feelings against them because they seem to have made steps to improve some of the issues I was dealing with at the time, and, for me, that is what progress is all about….making things better. And besides, most choices usually wind up being between the lesser of two evils.

 

My one unresolved issue, one that I feel is also problematic for others and maybe not voiced as such, is that of power. If you read the first part of this post you will know that I have been around longer than a few years. I remember when Wal-mart used to be a relatively small store (certainly no Super Wal-marts or 24 hour operation) with locations only sparsely scattered around. People loved Wal-mart. This is obviously the case or they would not have shopped there allowing it to grow into what it is now (I am currently in China for work and there are three stores in this one town). Not to pick on or single out this franchise, mind you, it merely provides a good example.

 

With its phenomenal growth and subsequent acquisition of power, it has now become the store America loves to hate. The list of good and bad will also not be listed as these are also well documented and a subject of opinion. I, for one, shop at the Super Wal-Mart directly across the street from my house (in America) for convenience and its very large available inventory. However, several other stores and even entire cities have filed lawsuits against Wal-mart because its large buying power enables them a tremendous advantage and has directly caused the failure of several other chains, not to mention small businesses.

 

I actually have to go out of my way to shop at other stores (which I sometimes do) in trying to do my small part to prevent this franchise from becoming a monopoly. For those of you who aren’t quite sure what a monopoly is, think Saudi Arabia and oil and all of the politics associated therewith. Some may say ‘Well, this is survival of the fittest’. To this I offer ‘Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely’.

 

I am pointing no fingers or making accusations, I will merely remind you of our society’s (and world’s for that matter) past history and point out that this is the reason why our government is a three branch system (please no comments on the actual quality of our present government). I know this may seem like a drastic comparison, Steam isn’t out to take over the world…not yet anyway.

 

I could lamely point out that I personally know a couple of people who regularly pirate material, so no prevention there. I don’t deal with these people. It’s not that I am anything close to being considered a morally governed person (right and wrong are usually a difference of opinion; or, the winners write the history books) I just believe in paying a man for his work, as I expect to be paid for mine. Thieves are simply either kids who don’t know any better or bugs in need of a squashing.

 

However, since this hasn’t stopped dedicated piracy, the only reason for its inclusion would seem to be monetarily motivated. If I wanted the benefits found in Steam’s services I can readily and easily obtain them. I would be happy to subscribe to them if this were my choice; as previously stated, it has some very useful utilities. I simply don’t want to have my desire for gaming used as leverage to force this service (which I feel is most likely the product of corporate manipulations as opposed to actual game safeguarding) on me. I want to be able to kick or congratulate myself for my own decisions.

 

An internet connection should be a convenience, an expedient method to solve problems, not a requirement (at all). This is not to say that internet-linked games are bad, fact being, they may perform in a superior manner; however, to each his own. Possibly this type of problem could be avoided if games requiring a connection belonged to a different genre to readily identify them and avoid disappointment (I don’t even look at games that are exclusive to systems that I don’t own). I must agree with the Steam advocates in saying that those who dissent should simply state their dissatisfaction and move on, but with some modicum of respect. Those who dislike this requirement should state their reasons, accept the current state of affairs and make your decision. The publishers will here our collective voices and use this to make future decisions, money talks.

 

Now, while there is no evidence of anything as Machiavellian as was hinted here and most likely is very far from Steam’s intention, I only say ‘Remember Wal-mart’. I can not say what will happen, only what I have seen. As for me, there are a lot of good games coming out right now so I can’t say if I will make the sacrifice…but it does sound pretty cool.

[Marthos]

Thats an extremely well written, concise and knowledgeable post, applauded.

[The1Doc]

good post gregcoll.

 

while people getting their own net connections is high, i think its rather ignorant of some games companies aligning with steam to say something hey this is our way to combat piracy, when in reality it doesnt really. its quite obvious that ubisoft & other companies that do it dont really care about gamers. an example of what they dont consider would be: someone has some spare time to game, but they cant because their connection is down. while dropouts are now very rare for me these days, but to others regardless if they live in a 1st or 3rd world country hapens or if they are with a big or small isp it still happens.

 

ive been wondering about how much of losses can be attributed to people not buying games because of people not having the net to activate or play. i doubt the number would be high , but it was just a small thought that i had. its probably not all i wanted to say on this matter at this time, so i had to be quick cause i got to go.

[frank lee]

I've said this elsewhere and feel the need to repeat it, regularly, on this board. We don't all live in LA!

Frontsalat's fatuous statement above demonstrates the thinking that is common on these issues;

 

"Get a faster internet (like ADSL), it's cheap theese days everywhere on the planet, except Iraq or Afghanistan maybe."

 

I don't live in Iraq or Afghanistan but I do live in an extremely rural part of Western Europe, in a first world country. Rural enough to need a UPS box on my power cable in the winter and rural enough to be writing this through a satellite connection, which I promise is not cheap!

 

Now if it took 2 years and quite a lot of money to get my connection together, I can only imagine what it must be like in eastern Europe, or a modern north African country like Egypt? How about somewhere like the Philippines or South Africa?

 

(Takes deep breath. . .)

 

As you read this tens of thousands of pirate copies of this game will be being sold, not downloaded but sold in markets in Lagos, Manila, Nanjing etc and for a sizable proportion of the game playing population of the Earth, that will be their ONLY option.

 

Now if your a gamer in the USA with your cheap ADSL connections you don't have to even think about this. . . stuff (you might have gotten a hint from FarCry2 though). But if you run a F**king Game Company, and you are going to advertise globally then it's your JOB, to think of this.