How did Talos become god?

[morogoth35]

Pretty much the title. I'd like to know how he became god, what evidence is there that he did infact become a god and why did he become a god.

[Tidus44]

He didn't "become" a god as such. Lore uses the term "apotheosis" which suggests that people began to worship him as a god - likely because of his accomplishments during his lifetime. It is not unheard of in various religions where an individual is extraordinarily virtuous and is seen as "godlike".

[BigBizkit]

if there are enough people who believe you are a god, "you are a god".

 

There are plenty of people in Tamriel who don't believe Talos to be a god. So, the notion that "he _is_ a god" is kind of relative.

 

Afaik the lore goes kind of like this: Talos was so awesome that the divines made them one of them (simplification).

[Lachdonin]

Ok... I hope you didn't like that brain of yours... Because this may hurt.

 

First... What is godhood? In TES, Godhood is an escape from mortality. It isn't just agelessness, it's true immortallity, the inability to die. It's not a measure of power or influence, but eternity. The Ehlnofey that Men and Mer descend from were gods, even though they were immensely inferior to those that would become the Aedra and Daedra. Even the lesser Daedra are, technically, gods. Generally, though, the Term refers to powerful spiritual entities who have the ability to exert their will or influence without the need to draw power from others (all Mages draw their power from Magnus).

 

Talos has walked at least 3 of the Walking Ways. These are 7 routes to godhood described in the 36 sermons, though what they actually are is... Cryptic. We know Mantling, Soul-Stacking, CHIM and fulfilling a prophecy. Prophecy produces and immortal, but isn't a measure of power, so it doesn't really count... The others are the Prolix, the Endeavour and the Scarab that becomes the New Man (presumed to be Amaranth).

 

Any who, Tiber Septim mantled Lorkhan, but because Lorkhan is dead and fragmented, Hjalti retained his own conscious instead of straight up becomming Lorkhan (as the CoC became Sheogorath). He then took the vacant 9th Throne of the Divines.

 

However, at some point he was also killed by Vivec, and in his death beheld the Tower and understood it's meaning. This is generally presumed to be after he mantled Lorkhan, which would mean his transformation of Cyrodiil was retroactive...

 

Anyway, things really get muddied with the Numidium, and the Warp in the West. To create the Mantela and power the Numidium, he and his Battllemage, Zurin Arctus, tried to capture the Draugr-King Wulfhearth (a known Shezzarine and thus a fragment of Lorkhan), who had turned against Tiber after he negotiated with the Dunmer, in a special Soul Gem. It went wrong, and while Wulfhearth was trapped, it also tore the soul from Zurin (also a Shezzarine. So was Tiber Septum for that matter). This created what is called an Enatiomorphic Event, mimicking the beginning of time, where the King kills the Rebel, but cripples the Observer.

 

These things happen from time to time, and are usually important (the end of Morrowind is one) but this became particularly important when the Numidium was activated, and the Mantela destroyed, duri.g the Warp in the West. The Numidium did it's thing and broke time, it superimposed this event over the point of Convention, making Talos doubly important to the foundation of Mundis. Tiber Septum, Wuldheartb and Zurin Arctus became, collectively, a NEW Zero-Stone and the cornerstone of the world.

 

There may also be a soul-Stacking element involved...

 

But yeah, end of the day, Talos IS a god. More of a god than anyone else, really...

[reyzark]

ok i tried to research it but found nothing, what can you tell us about soul-stacking?

[Lachdonin]

Essentially... Souls = Power. More Souls =More Power. When that power approaches the infinate, you're basically a god. The more powerful the souls, the less you need, and 3 Shezzarines + however many Dragons didn't agree to work for Hjalti = a lot of power.

[Boombro]

My Brain!

[Lachdonin]

Oh, I forgot the evidence...

 

Cyrodiil not being a Jungle

Wulf

Knights of the Nine

 

All these events tie directly.into the exertion of some divine aspect of Talos. In fact, the Thalmor, or at least those leading them, KNOW he is a god. That's why they are trying to stamp out his worship, because they believe he follows the same rules as their gods.

[morogoth35]

Ok... I hope you didn't like that brain of yours... Because this may hurt.

 

First... What is godhood? In TES, Godhood is an escape from mortality. It isn't just agelessness, it's true immortallity, the inability to die. It's not a measure of power or influence, but eternity. The Ehlnofey that Men and Mer descend from were gods, even though they were immensely inferior to those that would become the Aedra and Daedra. Even the lesser Daedra are, technically, gods. Generally, though, the Term refers to powerful spiritual entities who have the ability to exert their will or influence without the need to draw power from others (all Mages draw their power from Magnus).

 

Talos has walked at least 3 of the Walking Ways. These are 7 routes to godhood described in the 36 sermons, though what they actually are is... Cryptic. We know Mantling, Soul-Stacking, CHIM and fulfilling a prophecy. Prophecy produces and immortal, but isn't a measure of power, so it doesn't really count... The others are the Prolix, the Endeavour and the Scarab that becomes the New Man (presumed to be Amaranth).

 

Any who, Tiber Septim mantled Lorkhan, but because Lorkhan is dead and fragmented, Hjalti retained his own conscious instead of straight up becomming Lorkhan (as the CoC became Sheogorath). He then took the vacant 9th Throne of the Divines.

 

However, at some point he was also killed by Vivec, and in his death beheld the Tower and understood it's meaning. This is generally presumed to be after he mantled Lorkhan, which would mean his transformation of Cyrodiil was retroactive...

 

Anyway, things really get muddied with the Numidium, and the Warp in the West. To create the Mantela and power the Numidium, he and his Battllemage, Zurin Arctus, tried to capture the Draugr-King Wulfhearth (a known Shezzarine and thus a fragment of Lorkhan), who had turned against Tiber after he negotiated with the Dunmer, in a special Soul Gem. It went wrong, and while Wulfhearth was trapped, it also tore the soul from Zurin (also a Shezzarine. So was Tiber Septum for that matter). This created what is called an Enatiomorphic Event, mimicking the beginning of time, where the King kills the Rebel, but cripples the Observer.

 

These things happen from time to time, and are usually important (the end of Morrowind is one) but this became particularly important when the Numidium was activated, and the Mantela destroyed, duri.g the Warp in the West. The Numidium did it's thing and broke time, it superimposed this event over the point of Convention, making Talos doubly important to the foundation of Mundis. Tiber Septum, Wuldheartb and Zurin Arctus became, collectively, a NEW Zero-Stone and the cornerstone of the world.

 

There may also be a soul-Stacking element involved...

 

But yeah, end of the day, Talos IS a god. More of a god than anyone else, really...

Thank you, sir. I lift my hat for your knowledge.

[saurusmaximus]

Oh, I forgot the evidence...

 

Cyrodiil not being a Jungle

Wulf

Knights of the Nine

 

All these events tie directly.into the exertion of some divine aspect of Talos. In fact, the Thalmor, or at least those leading them, KNOW he is a god. That's why they are trying to stamp out his worship, because they believe he follows the same rules as their gods.

On that note, there is one thing I'm still fuzzy on: My understandiing is, with the Divines, they only exist as long as folks continue to worship them, correct? So, why won't that work with Talos?