Valve/Bethesda announce paid modding for Skyrim, more games to follow

[AKcelsior]

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darkslayer666 wrote:

I'm actually almost certain this has nothing to do with Bethesda. Steam is the distributor, Bethesda just developed the game. Their stance has always been to promote free content created by users. That's why they released the CK since Morrowind for free. I could be wrong, they might have dirty hands, but I think primarily we should have our crosshairs aimed at Valve/Steam.

Of course, Bethesda's original stance on promoting free user content by giving us free tools might not hold in the future. But that's neither here nor there at this point. Edited April 24, 2015 by akkalat85

[popcorn71]

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spydar59 wrote:

marthgun wrote: If a mod author chooses to do this, they are ruining their rep. They brought that upon themselves. I'm more worried about what steam / beth decide to do with those rights. What about mods that change similar things hosted on the nexus, will those mods violate their copywrite ownership?

Nexus won't be able to fight that, they'll be deleting things left and right, there will be riots.

popcorn71 wrote: Thats part of releasing a mod. You do it knowing full well that Beth can lay claim to your work but you do it anyway to make your gaming experience better.
Its something else entirely when some other modder comes along and steals your work then turns around and sells it.

Jerros wrote: I'm a mod author and I refuse to participate in this. This was not why I started modding but looks like a good time to retire from it. Sad day indeed.

marthgun wrote: @popcorn

There's a big difference though, heretofore Bethesda has had no stake in mods. They make nothing from the specifically. Now that they own a bunch of mods, will that incentive them to make absolutely sure there is no one undercutting them? will they find it economicaly viable to go after the "competition."

If this were content / quest / gameplay mods being sold, there's a tiny argument there. But this is anything goes. And as its been pointed out above, the amount of hands in the cookie jar of virutally every mod is vast. It's a slap in the face to everyone that has contributed over the years. I want to believe mod authors like Chesko were lured in unawares, maybe they thought it sounded interesting and signed up, then the ball dropped.

I know there is a diferance. That was entirely my point. Beth can legally already do what ever they want with your mods as they own the rights to the game. Its not what I would call ethical but whatever.

What I DO have a problem with is this crap I keep seeing about Chesko charging for a mod that has assets from FNIS without Fores permission.

I love Cheskos mods but what he did was verrrrrrrrrryyyyy uncool and I highly doubt hes the only one with payed mods that have smiler issues. The workshop already had problems with mod pirates and this will just make it that much worse.

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I think Im misunderstanding your post... Edited April 24, 2015 by popcorn71

[Terramaris]

 

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freedom613 wrote:

Thanks a bunch, I was actually planning on having one or more of my characters being Scots. Have you got any examples of your voice on Youtube or somewhere?

 

I'm definitely interested.

 

Not really, I never did voice acting before (I know, red flag alert), but I do have some experience in drama in highschool.

 

I can create a video in the morning if you want some samples.

[Valus34]

I'm not attacking no one here but there are people who don't want to pay for mods. That was not the original intention of this website. Once mods are being charge the large audience that once was will leave the scene. Then the entire Nexus website along with Valve with either cease to exist or cease to exist in popularity.

 

This is a very sad and corrupt time. I myself will create 3D models from scratch and will never charge a fee at all no matter how awesome my mods will be in the future.

[Jsmorris14]

Wow look at this. https://imgur.com/wW5j5yu

 

 

From the looks of it they don't want people to donate and they would rather have all the money. This is low.

 

I don't know if steam has always been this way with outside donations or if this is new today? anybody know?

[iloveyoupurples]

In response to post #24578789. #24579599, #24579684, #24579689, #24579699, #24579814, #24581179 are all replies on the same post.

donta1979 wrote:

marthgun wrote: they should just add advertisements to the downloads of mods like youtube. some can join in others can refuse.

This costs nexus only what it would take to implement it, everyone is happy except people that don't know how adblock works.

have a clickable advert to give them more money. let them shill for shekels (the current rules still apply though, no update stuff etc)

Natterforme wrote: Im pretty sure that Valve and bethesda have signed some sort of exclusivity agreement to prevent site like the Nexus from offering a better deal.

-Natterforme

movomo wrote: Modding is in essense more of a community effort that has built on what came before them, than what some modders imagine.

Speaking of the "frankenstein" modding tools as you say, who made them? Where's their cut if the end-modder starts to charge their mod? Who educated them to mod, whose knowledge and tools enabled them to mod, where's their cut? All the mod managers, mod tools, and great many more indirectly vital tools. Who helped the bug fixing, who helped the newbies on the forum, where's their cut?

All of this was fair when all of it was free and none of them had their cut. Now it isn't. Do modders deserve money for "their" mod? Certainly, to an extent, but not entirely. Is it only a form of donation... as a whole, no modding comnunity has ever had strong objection to this donation thing for modders; that option has always been there. As long as it is not a disguised paywall (I do not necessarily mean chesko is making paywall), donation always has been accepted.

Anyways, I hope they'd not be using the student-licensed max.

Nichoice wrote: Adding advertisements similar to Youtube is actually a brilliant idea, it allows modders to have monetary gain for the work and effort for which they have put in and does not create any form of consumer vendor relationship which would otherwise impose responsibilities for the modder!

marthgun wrote: and what about the nifskope team? without them getting custom assets into the game would be almost impossible without the injector that doesn't work nearly as well. They spent countless hours slaving away for free and people can go sell their armor mods for money.

disgusting.

donta1979 wrote: You will see, studios start releasing their in house tools/exporters-importers for modders. If you have no noticed there are 3d production programs on steam now, there is a reason for this. Not just for indy studios, but also modders. Like by Frankenstein what was the last update for Max? Maya? Its been awhile am I right? Nor does it always work correctly. There will always be free mods, it will not destroy the modding community, if anything will give the modding community access to studio tools so the gaming companies can start making profits sooner than later. Many of you need to go read the authors comments on the steam page, looking at their mods they look fantastic. But they will tell you they have not even gotten a cent from donations, and 25% is better than 100% of nothing. I used to mod way back in the day of morrowind, when the first tools started to become available, been modding since, didn't release a single mod until the past 3-4 years publicly on a big site. I have the donations tab up, have a couple of nice mods, have I received a cent? Nope Even going out of my way to try and tailor for almost every request. Do I expect a donation? Nope That is why I am laughing at none modders saying donations but have not even donated a cent to modders, yet are all up in arms against those that wish to sell their art. Would I sell my mods right now? Nope, would I sell my mods if it became more profitable like I did back in the day before high speed internet? Maybe.

Like I said above modding and mods was not always free, mods used to be sold by floppy/CD/BBS and in rare rare cases a DVD. You all are directing your anger in the wrong direction dont put it on the modders that see this as a way of generating extra income, but on Valve for taking the Nintendo approach to modding with the high peace of the pie. Having youtube videos will not work so well unless your a big site like the nexus that has tons of users, or you run a youtube channel with over one million subscribers your not going to generate that much you would probably generate less than the 25% valve is handing out.

I could kiss you for this post. We'll probably both be banned for calling poor sight and eye on the Nexus, we'll go down together! <3 (I was actually against all the selling of mods until I did some google-fu.) I found out a few dudes make a metric-****ton of money off of the modders on these 3rd party websites and modders get nothing. So I kinda had to shift my weight on this one.

[twisted630]

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twisted630 wrote:

WightMage wrote: You mean like those fancy swords on sale for about a buck or two each right now?

yeah.

[WightMage]

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GenBloodhorn wrote:

popcorn71 wrote: That would defeat the purpose of paying for a Nexus Premium subscription. I would be slightly pissed after paying for a life time Premium membership only to have to go through Ad.fly to get my downloads.

GenBloodhorn wrote: but hey, my idea is an "optional support download" which links to an ad.fly link. wouldnt hurt anyone. so even premium members have the option for "NMM download" " Download Manually " and "Support Download Manually". the plan is to kill the workshop, not the premium subscription. if you dont want adfly, you can always donate ;)

edit: the "D became a smiley face instead of a letter D

That seems like a... reasonable compromise.

I'm with popcorn71 though, as long as it doesn't interfere with those of us who purchased lifetime subscriptions, it should be good.

[AKcelsior]

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Jsmorris14 wrote:

I've got quite a collection of images from this night. Keep em coming, reposts and sharing will keep this hypocrisy at the forefront of this awful decision.

[Lillysdad2009]

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darkslayer666 wrote:

akkalat85 wrote: I'm actually almost certain this has nothing to do with Bethesda. Steam is the distributor, Bethesda just developed the game. Their stance has always been to promote free content created by users. That's why they released the CK since Morrowind for free. I could be wrong, they might have dirty hands, but I think primarily we should have our crosshairs aimed at Valve/Steam.

Of course, Bethesda's original stance on promoting free user content by giving us free tools might not hold in the future. But that's neither here nor there at this point.

Without a doubt, we were talking about the fact that modders even if they are willing to take 25%. They really can't all of the tools, and base mods like fores and SKSE really have more claim to the mods than the authors do. I feel like maybe Bethesda is just pissed off about something. I hope they are not really dumb enough to think they are helping the modding community or even themselves with this bright idea. They are absolutely not helping the authors for sure. Kudos Slayer