Valve/Bethesda announce paid modding for Skyrim, more games to follow

[GenBloodhorn]

Skyforge Shields and Skyforge Swords mod have already been taken down by its author.

 

I think we should encourage people at the nexus to donate so the authors wont go to Steamworkshop for paid subscription.

 

I cant donate cause Im not rich :O

[deadblood01]

this is it fallout 4 will have paid mod support from the start lests see how bethesda will make money from fallout4 on PC i wont be buying it for sure on PC if they does something like this with fallout 4 too

[CaptainGame]

In response to post #24574734. #24574879, #24574969, #24574999 are all replies on the same post.

Apollodown wrote:

akkalat85 wrote: I love you Apollodown. You are respected for your work, and your stance on this.

CaedesAposis wrote: Now goddammit Apollodown, now I have to respect you even more for your work. How the HELL do you do that?

colinswrath wrote: Dear god thank you. The greed in this world is unreal, charging for mods we don't even know what the files consist of, or even the quality of the mod.

So shines a good deed in a weary world.

I think this whole scheme is going to fall through simply because of sorts like you - sorts who are either doing this for the art alone or want a more fair and reasonable method of receiving compensation. They can't get you to make DLC for them if you don't let them.

Godspeed.

[Teria23]

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Marco9625 wrote:

Laxe wrote: It is just beginning, when more third parties come into play, theres IRS and European vat etc. this will turn into Just another Music industry where if you buy 20$ CD the artists doesn't even get full one dollar bill.

boulegue wrote: valve provides the platform and bethesda created the game and the CK/G.E.C.K to even make modding in the manner we know it today possible.... if you think people at valve and bethesda aren't working hard for their money you never seen any game developer office ever.... 70week hours are no strangers in those offices.... 25% is a rather generous cut compared to other industries (music, books, newspapers, tv........)

Marco9625 wrote: The GECK/CK haven't been touched for years. It doesn't warrant Bethesda a reward. The monetary cost of maintaining Steam is rock bottom low so it doesn't warrant Valve such a high amount. This is a raw deal for modders who are doing the real work. I implore modders everywhere to give the Steam Workshop the cold shoulder here on out, its starting to become bad for consumers and modders alike. And I agree with Laxe fully.

boulegue wrote: both valve and bethesda have a lot of developers that needs to be paid, the CK just got an update (maybe just to ease the upload to steam but w/e)
youre free to buy or not buy the mods on the workshop as mod authors are free to charge or put them up for free now the cost of maintaining steam is in the millions every month just to maintain steam... valve consists of more then just steam

shaithlis wrote: No disrespect intended Boulegue, but is valve paying you to come here and totally defend them, almost every post has you defending them. Just curious

boulegue wrote: 90% of the people posting here have not read anything not even the FAQ linked in darkones article.... im just trying to be realistic rather then cry out of fear that tomorrow the world might end.... i survived soooo many world ending events i learned how to handle them

boulegue 0 kudos 83 posts
valve provides the platform and bethesda created the game and the CK/G.E.C.K to even make modding in the manner we know it today possible.... if you think people at valve and bethesda aren't working hard for their money you never seen any game developer office ever.... 70week hours are no strangers in those offices.... 25% is a rather generous cut compared to other industries (music, books, newspapers, tv........)

The fact that artists all over the world are being paid less than nothing for their work does not justify yet another industry to jump in on the practise. Bethesda was paid for their work when we bought the game. Why should we pay them AGAIN? Edited April 24, 2015 by Teria23

[Gribbleshnibit8]

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nathanj wrote:

marthgun wrote: lol sure he will.

hey guise pay for it nao it will be FREE laterz kek.

if that happens even once i'll be surprised.

Wouldn't it make more sense to charge for the complete non-buggy version instead?

[ScrollTron1c]

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Explosive196 wrote:

starfis wrote: This will make Nexus stronger.

Until Skyrim only launches with mods from the official Steam Workshop.

[LordAnorak]

In response to post #24572569. #24572664, #24572779, #24573134, #24573299, #24573349, #24573499, #24573674, #24573719, #24574234, #24574579, #24574739, #24574904, #24574909, #24575124 are all replies on the same post.

phantompally76 wrote:

IgnacyOrder wrote: Im sure I wont be releasing my mod any more. I jsut keep it for myself because I dotn want someone now to steal it and make money for nothing. Or the fact I did use some stuff from modderss recources. Some people now may force me to pay for reeasing mod even thou its free. Makes me criminal then. I guess many modders wont want that problem

Youtuber mod showcases will die as well as it will be expensive hobby now

boulegue wrote: authors just like publishers will send their mods to reviewers for free so they get exposure

zzjay wrote: Lol you're right...i will never sell a mod...too many problems...of they close free modding ill jusy quit.

Modding is an hobby...not a job...if bethesda cant make thir own games pretty i dont see why to buy em at all...if i even have to pay for mods...mods are like essential for skyrim...without its worthless...

phantompally76 wrote: The question is how many of the irate modders out there tonight who are unendorsing chesko and isako's mods out of spite (which I don't condone, but totally understand) will in turn unsubscribe from Brodual, Gopher, and all the other popular mod reviewers that they perceive as being advocates for charging a fee for untested alpha content? So far I've only seen a reaction by Gopher, who was being diplomatically cautious about the whole thing.

I fear (and I really do hope I'm wrong) that this will also have an adverse affect on the Youtube modding reviews community. I'm not sure how many reviewers will risk losing subscribers, traffic and revenue by reviewing paid mods. Only time will tell.

boulegue wrote: zzjay you have made some great mods most of which are well up there in the 100,000 downloads so theres no disputing youre a great modder

but why do you want to take away others freedom to sell their hard work, if you dont want to sell yours thats fine and many think the same as you.... but if isoku and cheesko who are also great modders what to make money of off it why wouldnt you let them? noone is taking away our free mods valve and bethesda just gave us the option to monetize the work people put into their mods

rkelly wrote: my question is if mods go paid for than wont they become targets for pirates? in other words wouldn't this make mod piracy becoming a actual thing?

danjal wrote: Just look at the pricing alone.

Wet and Cold apparently set its price at $4,99
If I'm looking at Skyrim as a base game and its DLC.
We're seeing $20~40 for basegame/DLC or Legendary Edition.

So what would Wet and Cold be worth compared to the base game when the base game goes on sale as low as $14 on sale (And thats the Legendary Edition)?
What about a mod like Falskaar? Is Falskaar worth the same as Dragonborn/Dawnguard due to its size? Is it worth less because of some quality concerns? (Its good, but you notice its a mod nonetheless.)

What about something like SkyWind or Luftahraan that is worked on by a larger team?
How do you determine value for that?

What about mods that rely on assets from other mod makers?
What about customer support, who is responsible?

boulegue wrote: the price goes from $1-$99 you choose how much you pay for wet&cold $5 is just the recommended price

marthgun wrote: everyone involved in this should not be allowed to have mods on the nexus, this is just free advertisement for their treason.

its one thing to shill for shekels here if you're hurting for cash, but there is no protection on steam. Kids will be buying mods that break their game and then flooding steam with 'boohoos' when they keep crashing. They'll have to come here or elsewhere for their tools and that is just not fair.

Such a sad state of affairs.

boulegue wrote: how is anyone betraying you? kids are already flooding this article and the steamworkshop with cries

phantompally76 wrote: boulegue, exactly how much is Valve paying you to play the devil's advocate on here tonight?

I mean, I can understand both sides of the argument, to a point....but your replies consistently (and suspiciously) smack of self-service.

JJgoodtimes wrote: Imagine youtube reviewers getting gifted free copies of new big expensive mods from the mod makers and then giving positive reviews out,; which is ultimately free advertising when one considers how devoted their respective fans are to their opinions. There really is no limit to the corruption that is possible.

boulegue wrote: im neither modding nor working for steam just an middle aged insomniac sick of people crying the world will end

@JJgoodtimes that is standart practice in the gaming industry

phantompally76 wrote: All seriousness aside, JJgoodtimes, your comment was DY-NO-MITE!!!!!


And I agree with you, if mod reviewers end up getting free copies, that's going to upset the same crowd who are flooding Steam's comment section with the ascii middle finger right now, who are signing that petition (which now has over 9,000 signatures), and who are calling for mod author boycotts. I wouldn't go as far as to say that crowd is in the right, but I will go as far as to say that it's a very large crowd, and it can do a LOT of damage.

Due to the paywall that Wet and Cold is now behind I'm simply not going to support Isoku, I was going to do a straight donation through the Nexus. but now I'm not because I cannot get the new version without having to pay a third party to access it.

[lazertits95]

Dark0ne I hope they don't come attacking Nexus next

[guiaugu132]

In response to post #24574734. #24574879, #24574969, #24574999, #24575194 are all replies on the same post.

Apollodown wrote:

akkalat85 wrote: I love you Apollodown. You are respected for your work, and your stance on this.

CaedesAposis wrote: Now goddammit Apollodown, now I have to respect you even more for your work. How the HELL do you do that?

colinswrath wrote: Dear god thank you. The greed in this world is unreal, charging for mods we don't even know what the files consist of, or even the quality of the mod.

CaptainGame wrote: So shines a good deed in a weary world.

I think this whole scheme is going to fall through simply because of sorts like you - sorts who are either doing this for the art alone or want a more fair and reasonable method of receiving compensation. They can't get you to make DLC for them if you don't let them.

Godspeed.

Here Apollodown , have a kudos :)

[LordAnorak]

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Explosive196 wrote:

starfis wrote: This will make Nexus stronger.

ScrollTron1c wrote: Until Skyrim only launches with mods from the official Steam Workshop.

Until Authors start pulling mods from the Nexus in favor of paywalling them. Valve and Bethesda need to be ashamed of this.