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It's not really a case of being grateful as much as it is of participation. People who don't participate in this community probably don't endorse mods.

Furthermore, it makes no difference in the long run. If 10% of users endorse mods they like then you still end up with the most popular mods being endorsed the most, the numbers are just lower.
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Well I agree on that , the actual system doesn't even discriminate between good and well made mods and just "popularity" ones .

Some crap mods do make up to hot file and stay there a whole week hoarding endorsements just because of popularity or because they made a laught on some . But Other well tought , planned, finely craftet that took months to do are left in the voidness of unpopularity .
some gems are really hidden deep into the vaults of Nexus and are not even known of .
Even the same search categorizes the mods mostly by endorsements wich increase the popularity of the popular ones , rather than have a better fair system of classification of mods according to the work done for making them .
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Of course it was doomed.

Because they did not thought hard enough of the difference in mods. It's one thing to "sell hats", but another thing, trying to sell different categories of mods.

There would be no problem at all with cosmetic mods. This "silly things" can be made within hours. Please dear item and texture modders, take no offense, but in comparison to other things, this mods are way easier and not so time intensive. like constant script testing, or quest making.

But, what is with really large mods, sometimes projects with over 15 man-years? You have to pay for their work, like for a game. because they need to buy their tools, because they are no longer free to use. And for their hard work, of course. And you need to warranty updates and QA.

What about mods, that are basicly patches, like the unofficial patches mods, SKSE, SKY-UI, MCM, and many others. These have to be FREE for the players, and should be paid by the developers of the game, because it's their damn responsibility, to patch this bad PC port. If you do not do this, you can bet, that someone would have taken SKY-UI 4.1 and changed it to a new community version, therefore making the paid version obsolete and ultimatly incompatible to new mods. And what did they do? These f*#@ing idiots from valve TOOK money from these authors.

What about total conversions? These are basicly complete addons and new games. In these cases they had to offer payment and QA. And a warranty for patches, before even selling them. These are NO HATS, these are complete programs!

What about compilations, a real legal nightmare? How would they handle this. The method from valve: "Simple grab it, all on the nexus is free" did not work out so well, as we have seen. I call it intellectual property theft by them.

What about the tool programmers, like TESEDIT, BOSS, LOOT, WRYE-bash, and so on which work you used. They have to be paid too, if you "go commercial". How did they plan to do this?

What about Rule changing mods like SkyRe These mods are compability horror shows and are most likely to break any other mod, coming near them in half, if not given a compability patch? You have to ensure QA for this. And a LOT of patches.

So, dear mod authors, do not complain, that you now cannot get money any more, be thankful, what they do not throw YOU under the bus like all modders, who make more than a silly item for the game! And do not forget, they took the distribution rights, AND the rights to change your mod as THEY see fit. Do you really know, what that meant. They take your work, and it is no longer YOURS.

If you try something like this in the future, don't be blinded by money, get a lawyer, before agreeing to anything.

I know that people are assholes, but live with that fact! Ignore them. Remember, why you are modding in the first place! I do it primary for myself, if I do not like something in the game.

But kick this ungrateful assholes out of your comments and out of your life. Don't even waste your time on them. If they do not show respect, don't respect them. In this cases, I am a very evil person. Edited by mkess
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Why is an endorsement important? I'm not trolling - I really want to know.

I only just bought Skyrim Legendary Edition last year, and only got into trying mods this year. Therefore I'm very new to the culture here at the Nexus.

Other mod sites don't even have an endorsement button; they may have a 10 point rating system or something. Is such a system better or worse than Nexus' endorsement system?
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Well, even Gopher forgot to endorse sometimes.
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@ mljh11

That's just a way of saying "thanks for the mod, I like it". The mod author doesn't get anything from it. It just helps spreading the word whether the mod is good or not and encourage more people to try it.

It's not an entirely different system from rating, just a little bit more general.
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Don't forget the protest mod, 3,233 unique downloads to 1,438 endorsements which is the only mod ever to reach nearly 50% ratio.
People didn't feel lazy or forgetful about that one. It shows the hypocrisy clearly, make the effort when it suits.
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I think Vesuvius, Lateraliss, and KChan make some very good points about this whole system. I especially like KChan's observant opinion, but I lean mostly towards the anti-paywall points the former two have given.

Modder here, and not for paid mods any time soon. Maybe with a more honest, better-moderated system. But out of the blue like this with so many negatives as opposed to before it couldn't work. I think Beth/Valve could start off with better communication towards the modding community itself if they'll remain hellbent on getting this system out there.
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I forgot to endorse a lot of mods in my first year here on Nexus. I was just to involved in learning how to install mods correctly at all, learning Skyrim folder and file structures etc. Over time I got used to do it. I guess in the meanwhile almost every mod I once used or still use has an endorsement.

That's just my experience, I still can't explain why so many mods with extremely high download rates have so less endorsements. Edited by Sigurd44
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No, I think this action from valve this weekend was a wakeup call for many users. Let's wait and see.
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