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In response to post #24770644. #24771434 is also a reply to the same post.


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LOL! , Dude, Wow .. just wow. . I wish comprehension upon all readers of this post because, Epiphany knows, this Reach exceeds the grasp of many.

Here's my two septims .. I remain open-minded about paying for a mod I want to download. But I think the modder should get like 90% because of all the work involved. The developer provided an sdk, so what? An sdk is meaningless unless someone wants to learn it and then publish something with their name attached to it (use only one name, modders, you know what I mean!). When Skyrim hit the shelves it was Ugly and Broken. Look at Skyrim now. Yeah, it looks this good because of the modding community using the tools provided. HENCEFORTH .. I would gladly deal in a few bucks to get the meshes, textures and animations I prefer as long as I can pick and choose among them. As a consumer of 3rd party dlc I want to freely swap files and customize my experience. After all, experiencing freedom is the impetus of the mod in the first place.


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Fair point,

Many people were against Valve's action and posted continuously to oppose it..myself included. Does that mean i am against Modders getting paid? Does it mean I was comfortable with the way others have vilified those who who were In favor of it and most specifically the Modders? Is every Premium member exempt from criticism because they paid for membership when they needn't have?. Supporters? is it only the FREE members of NEXUS you blame here? and One last do you believe that 1200-1400 posts on two separate blog entries is a true representation of the attitude of ALL Nexus members.

It amazes me that modders like you have somehow within the last 72 hrs, come to an Epiphany that people LIKE FREE stuff, and often people are jerks when the free stuff is being taken away..
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LOL! , Dude, Wow .. just wow. . I wish comprehension upon all readers of this post because, Epiphany knows, this Reach exceeds the grasp of many.

 

Here's my two septims .. I remain open-minded about paying for a mod I want to download. But I think the modder should get like 90% because of all the work involved. The developer provided an sdk, so what? An sdk is meaningless unless someone wants to learn it and then publish something with their name attached to it (use only one name, modders, you know what I mean!. When Skyrim hit the shelves it was Ugly and Broken. Look at Skyrim now. Yeah, it looks this good because of the modding community using the tools provided. HENCEFORTH .. I would gladly deal in a few bucks to get the meshes, textures and animations I prefer as long as I can pick and choose among them. As a consumer of 3rd party dlc I want to freely swap files and customize my experience. After all, experiencing freedom is the impetus of the mod in the first place.

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The program was a terrible solution. Valve would only seek to increase their take over time. Getting in on a 25% stake just to have something would compromise your hope to ever get properly compensated for work.

It also wasn't feasible due to the way many mods interconnect with others(I think Valve and Bethesda really didn't understand how this worked).

Personally, I don't think we're back to square one. This has raised some very good points about mod authors getting compensated for their work. I know I've seen quite a few pledges from folks in comments to make a greater effort to donate to their favorite mod authors.

I know you're mad and are probably seeing the negative more (because that is how humans work), but from my perspective I saw quite a bit of support for modders. Especially on YouTube where people like TotalBiscuit, Boogie2988, Gopher, Brodual, etc. discussed the issues in a fairly balanced way.

However, the main issue is that Valve and Bethesda were trying to steam roll modders with the pipe dream of being able to make a living off modding. Have you done the math on how much you would have to sell to make a living off of their pathetic 25%? And that's 25% that taxes still have to come out of. Consider the $10k Valve cited as being spent on paid mods. That is $2,500 to modders. Take into consideration some countries where the tax rates on online self-employed work is monstrous (ie Norway, Sweden) and you're left with very little.

I can't speak for modders, as I'm not one. But I would not be happy if my donations to modders went through Valve and Bethesda. At least with their 75% grab.

If Valve/Bethesda can re-work the deal to take a small (say 25% split amongst them) cut on donations to modders, then I think it could go forward.

I don't think I'm currently using any of your mods. I would deactivate them out of respect for your decision. I know I have in the past though (and wish I could make a few work better with the mods I am using(not your issue)) , and I know I haven't donated to you yet. As a small token of what I think the majority of the long-term community thinks of modders, I shall make one today.
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I think this is all ultimately Bethesda's decision to make. Nexus are kinda victims of their own success.
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So over on SkyUI Schlangster has decided to go ahead and continue plans to release 5.0 here. Why don't you guys go on over and support the mod and show him thanks. I just donated to him so he can get himself a cup of coffee.

 

If all the community members start showing support for the authors who will continue their work, the community can get back to normal.

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@phantompally76
Checked your profile bro, and you have exactly ZERO files uploaded. Because your talking like your some sort of "passionate" mod author, but it appears you are actually an entitled moron who doesnt know what hes talking about. Silly me though, you probably have a Moddb page with all your super mods that you have put hundreds of hours into all for the pleasure of your users yes? Not like all these other "Greedy" people right? Nope? YEAH, DIDN'T THINK SO. Edited by skibadaa
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Acknowledged? Offering a 25% cut when:
1.) Bethesda has made their money
2.) Skyrim has been out for what, 4 years?
3.) The modding community fixed many game breaking flaws 4.) This community is a decade old is hardly acknowledgement. And probably hundreds of mods build on SKSE and use modder resources. Where is their cut? And what do I do when some mod breaks my game 2 weeks later?
There was absolutely 0 thought put into anything but these two companies' bottom lines. Edited by user134
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Well said.
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