Aliens

[JimboUK]

This is worth watching for those with an interest in this sort of thing....

 

Stephen Hawking Aliens, Approx 43mins.

 

Part1

 

Part2

 

Part3

 

Part4

 

Part5

[marharth]

This is worth watching for those with an interest in this sort of thing....

 

Stephen Hawking Aliens, Approx 43mins.

 

Part1

 

Part2

 

Part3

 

Part4

 

Part5

Saw Stephen Hawking and I ignored it.

 

He may be smart, but a lot of the time he is completely wrong with aliens.

 

It is extremely unlikely that a advanced race with the ability to travel in space would be violent.

 

Violent races are much more likely to kill themselves before reaching such a level of technology.

 

And once they do reach that level of technology (which would mean they would require a huge power source.) it is highly unlikely they will need to be violent for anything.

[Ghogiel]

 

He may be smart, but a lot of the time he is completely wrong with aliens.

 

Your certainty is puzzling. Where does that theory about a technologically advanced civilisation will be peaceful come from, is it Sagan? Anyway, so far in history, all the most technology advanced cultures and countries are also the most war like. I can't even think of an exception to the rule, must be one such culture in history that wasn't conquering other people with their superior technology and weapons...

So on current RL precedent, Hawkings might have something there...

Edited June 2, 2011 by Ghogiel

[JimboUK]

This is worth watching for those with an interest in this sort of thing....

 

Stephen Hawking Aliens, Approx 43mins.

 

Part1

 

Part2

 

Part3

 

Part4

 

Part5

Saw Stephen Hawking and I ignored it.

 

He may be smart, but a lot of the time he is completely wrong with aliens.

 

It is extremely unlikely that a advanced race with the ability to travel in space would be violent.

 

Violent races are much more likely to kill themselves before reaching such a level of technology.

 

And once they do reach that level of technology (which would mean they would require a huge power source.) it is highly unlikely they will need to be violent for anything.

 

Why would they not be violent? Look how far have we come over the last few centuries yet we're still killing over religion and resources. Humans provide a great example of how a dominant species can treat "lesser" ones, we put roads through their habitat, we cut down the forests, we modify their genes, we destroy their environment and process them in factories for food and other products. Why would aliens not look down on us as we look down on those we share this planet with? Hawking makes also a good point when he compares an advanced race landing on Earth to Europeans landing in the North America, just look how well that turned out for the native population. Technology hasn't made us less violent, it's just changed the way we dominate and kill others.

 

 

 

Your certainty is puzzling. Where does that theory about a technologically advanced civilisation will be peaceful come from, is it Sagan? Anyway, so far in history, all the most technology advanced cultures and countries are also the most war like. I can't even think of an exception to the rule, must be one such culture in history that wasn't conquering other people with their superior technology and weapons...

So on current RL precedent, Hawkings might have something there...

 

I blame Roddenberry, no disrespect to the man but he was very much a product of the 60s and that is reflected in his work. The idea that the discovery of FTL travel would lead to peace and harmony on Earth and a enlightened attitude to other races is idealistic nonsense.

[Ghogiel]

Roddenberry, no disrespect to the man

yeah yeah.. that makes sense it was him. I think I am with you and Hawkings on this one

[marharth]

This is worth watching for those with an interest in this sort of thing....

 

Stephen Hawking Aliens, Approx 43mins.

 

Part1

 

Part2

 

Part3

 

Part4

 

Part5

Saw Stephen Hawking and I ignored it.

 

He may be smart, but a lot of the time he is completely wrong with aliens.

 

It is extremely unlikely that a advanced race with the ability to travel in space would be violent.

 

Violent races are much more likely to kill themselves before reaching such a level of technology.

 

And once they do reach that level of technology (which would mean they would require a huge power source.) it is highly unlikely they will need to be violent for anything.

 

Why would they not be violent? Look how far have we come over the last few centuries yet we're still killing over religion and resources. Humans provide a great example of how a dominant species can treat "lesser" ones, we put roads through their habitat, we cut down the forests, we modify their genes, we destroy their environment and process them in factories for food and other products. Why would aliens not look down on us as we look down on those we share this planet with? Hawking makes also a good point when he compares an advanced race landing on Earth to Europeans landing in the North America, just look how well that turned out for the native population. Technology hasn't made us less violent, it's just changed the way we dominate and kill others.

 

 

 

Your certainty is puzzling. Where does that theory about a technologically advanced civilisation will be peaceful come from, is it Sagan? Anyway, so far in history, all the most technology advanced cultures and countries are also the most war like. I can't even think of an exception to the rule, must be one such culture in history that wasn't conquering other people with their superior technology and weapons...

So on current RL precedent, Hawkings might have something there...

 

I blame Roddenberry, no disrespect to the man but he was very much a product of the 60s and that is reflected in his work. The idea that the discovery of FTL travel would lead to peace and harmony on Earth and a enlightened attitude to other races is idealistic nonsense.

I will reply to this since it is the most detailed and covers the other posts as well.

 

One of the fundamental human mistakes is thinking we are a advanced race, we are not where close. If universal life was rated it would be likely we were 0 on a 1-5 scale.

 

Its does not make much sense to compare a human conquering to other races. Humans are equal in almost every way. Aliens would be drastically advanced if they can travel to us.

 

Now we can't get into religion, but it should be obvious why that would no longer matter in a few thousand years.

 

Yes, we do destory for resources. But what do we use resources for?

 

The top things seem to be energy.

 

If you have a intergalactic star ship, there is no way your going to need resources for energy. There is a good chance that advanced races would have mastered nuclear fusion, and simply use a artificial star for power.

 

There are trillions of planets, each with a ton of resources, there is no reason a alien race would travel to the edge of the galaxy simply to get resources.

 

The chances of a violent race evolving drastically decrease over time for obvious reasons. A violent race is much more likely to kill each other off before mastering space travel. A violent race is also a lot more likely to kill off their planet, eventually resulting in their own extinction. On top of that it would be nearly impossible for a completely violent race to work together to do such things.

 

The chances of a violent alien race even existing is very low, the chances of one ever coming to earth is pretty much zero.

[JimboUK]

This is worth watching for those with an interest in this sort of thing....

 

Stephen Hawking Aliens, Approx 43mins.

 

Part1

 

Part2

 

Part3

 

Part4

 

Part5

Saw Stephen Hawking and I ignored it.

 

He may be smart, but a lot of the time he is completely wrong with aliens.

 

It is extremely unlikely that a advanced race with the ability to travel in space would be violent.

 

Violent races are much more likely to kill themselves before reaching such a level of technology.

 

And once they do reach that level of technology (which would mean they would require a huge power source.) it is highly unlikely they will need to be violent for anything.

 

Why would they not be violent? Look how far have we come over the last few centuries yet we're still killing over religion and resources. Humans provide a great example of how a dominant species can treat "lesser" ones, we put roads through their habitat, we cut down the forests, we modify their genes, we destroy their environment and process them in factories for food and other products. Why would aliens not look down on us as we look down on those we share this planet with? Hawking makes also a good point when he compares an advanced race landing on Earth to Europeans landing in the North America, just look how well that turned out for the native population. Technology hasn't made us less violent, it's just changed the way we dominate and kill others.

 

 

 

Your certainty is puzzling. Where does that theory about a technologically advanced civilisation will be peaceful come from, is it Sagan? Anyway, so far in history, all the most technology advanced cultures and countries are also the most war like. I can't even think of an exception to the rule, must be one such culture in history that wasn't conquering other people with their superior technology and weapons...

So on current RL precedent, Hawkings might have something there...

 

I blame Roddenberry, no disrespect to the man but he was very much a product of the 60s and that is reflected in his work. The idea that the discovery of FTL travel would lead to peace and harmony on Earth and a enlightened attitude to other races is idealistic nonsense.

I will reply to this since it is the most detailed and covers the other posts as well.

 

One of the fundamental human mistakes is thinking we are a advanced race, we are not where close. If universal life was rated it would be likely we were 0 on a 1-5 scale.

 

Its does not make much sense to compare a human conquering to other races. Humans are equal in almost every way. Aliens would be drastically advanced if they can travel to us.

 

Now we can't get into religion, but it should be obvious why that would no longer matter in a few thousand years.

 

Yes, we do destory for resources. But what do we use resources for?

 

The top things seem to be energy.

 

If you have a intergalactic star ship, there is no way your going to need resources for energy. There is a good chance that advanced races would have mastered nuclear fusion, and simply use a artificial star for power.

 

There are trillions of planets, each with a ton of resources, there is no reason a alien race would travel to the edge of the galaxy simply to get resources.

 

The chances of a violent race evolving drastically decrease over time for obvious reasons. A violent race is much more likely to kill each other off before mastering space travel. A violent race is also a lot more likely to kill off their planet, eventually resulting in their own extinction. On top of that it would be nearly impossible for a completely violent race to work together to do such things.

 

The chances of a violent alien race even existing is very low, the chances of one ever coming to earth is pretty much zero.

 

It's true that we are nowhere near the levels of advancement needed for interstellar travel, however we have made huge leaps forward with technology and that hasn't made us any better than we were before, why would further advances change anything?

 

Energy is important but you can't eat it, you can't build infrastructure from it and you can't create starships from it.

[marharth]

This is worth watching for those with an interest in this sort of thing....

 

Stephen Hawking Aliens, Approx 43mins.

 

Part1

 

Part2

 

Part3

 

Part4

 

Part5

Saw Stephen Hawking and I ignored it.

 

He may be smart, but a lot of the time he is completely wrong with aliens.

 

It is extremely unlikely that a advanced race with the ability to travel in space would be violent.

 

Violent races are much more likely to kill themselves before reaching such a level of technology.

 

And once they do reach that level of technology (which would mean they would require a huge power source.) it is highly unlikely they will need to be violent for anything.

 

Why would they not be violent? Look how far have we come over the last few centuries yet we're still killing over religion and resources. Humans provide a great example of how a dominant species can treat "lesser" ones, we put roads through their habitat, we cut down the forests, we modify their genes, we destroy their environment and process them in factories for food and other products. Why would aliens not look down on us as we look down on those we share this planet with? Hawking makes also a good point when he compares an advanced race landing on Earth to Europeans landing in the North America, just look how well that turned out for the native population. Technology hasn't made us less violent, it's just changed the way we dominate and kill others.

 

 

 

Your certainty is puzzling. Where does that theory about a technologically advanced civilisation will be peaceful come from, is it Sagan? Anyway, so far in history, all the most technology advanced cultures and countries are also the most war like. I can't even think of an exception to the rule, must be one such culture in history that wasn't conquering other people with their superior technology and weapons...

So on current RL precedent, Hawkings might have something there...

 

I blame Roddenberry, no disrespect to the man but he was very much a product of the 60s and that is reflected in his work. The idea that the discovery of FTL travel would lead to peace and harmony on Earth and a enlightened attitude to other races is idealistic nonsense.

I will reply to this since it is the most detailed and covers the other posts as well.

 

One of the fundamental human mistakes is thinking we are a advanced race, we are not where close. If universal life was rated it would be likely we were 0 on a 1-5 scale.

 

Its does not make much sense to compare a human conquering to other races. Humans are equal in almost every way. Aliens would be drastically advanced if they can travel to us.

 

Now we can't get into religion, but it should be obvious why that would no longer matter in a few thousand years.

 

Yes, we do destory for resources. But what do we use resources for?

 

The top things seem to be energy.

 

If you have a intergalactic star ship, there is no way your going to need resources for energy. There is a good chance that advanced races would have mastered nuclear fusion, and simply use a artificial star for power.

 

There are trillions of planets, each with a ton of resources, there is no reason a alien race would travel to the edge of the galaxy simply to get resources.

 

The chances of a violent race evolving drastically decrease over time for obvious reasons. A violent race is much more likely to kill each other off before mastering space travel. A violent race is also a lot more likely to kill off their planet, eventually resulting in their own extinction. On top of that it would be nearly impossible for a completely violent race to work together to do such things.

 

The chances of a violent alien race even existing is very low, the chances of one ever coming to earth is pretty much zero.

 

It's true that we are nowhere near the levels of advancement needed for interstellar travel, however we have made huge leaps forward with technology and that hasn't made us any better than we were before, why would further advances change anything?

 

Energy is important but you can't eat it, you can't build infrastructure from it and you can't create starships from it.

Food will also no longer be a issue by that point, cloning and genetic modification will get rid of any hunger.

 

If your a alien race there is no point in entering a planet and attempting to take it over (with possible risks for you) when you could mine one of the other billions of planets.

[JimboUK]

 

Food will also no longer be a issue by that point, cloning and genetic modification will get rid of any hunger.

 

If your a alien race there is no point in entering a planet and attempting to take it over (with possible risks for you) when you could mine one of the other billions of planets.

 

Food will be an issue because of an ever growing population, a problem that medical advances makes worse. What would the risks to them be anyway? no more than the native Americans were to European settlers.

 

Why would peaceful aliens bother with us? we're after all a greedy violent people who would pose a threat to them in the future, helping us in any way will surely not benefit them in the long run.

[marharth]

 

Food will also no longer be a issue by that point, cloning and genetic modification will get rid of any hunger.

 

If your a alien race there is no point in entering a planet and attempting to take it over (with possible risks for you) when you could mine one of the other billions of planets.

 

Food will be an issue because of an ever growing population, a problem that medical advances makes worse. What would the risks to them be anyway? no more than the native Americans were to European settlers.

 

Why would peaceful aliens bother with us? we're after all a greedy violent people who would pose a threat to them in the future, helping us in any way will surely not benefit them in the long run.

Food will not be a issue at all in mankind's near future, let alone advanced races.

 

Genetic engineering will allow for larger animals and crops, in the far future it could very well be possible we replace the need for material food.

 

They won't help us, and if they see us as a threat then they will likely find a way to stop us. We are no where close to being a threat.

 

You also realize that Native Americans took quite a few European lives? Aliens would have no interest is losing anything just to conquer earth, they could go to another planet without intelligent life to work on.