Regarding Site Listed as Pirate Site and more.

[TheVampireDante]

We'll see.

 

If it gets too out of hand it's not like we can't just add it back to the filter list.

[scrivener07]

I'm going to type this out but it is not a challenge to the staff here: I think removing LL from the blocklist is a bad idea and nothing good for Nexus will come from it. :confused:

I hope it works out. LL has some top notch talent. But you know people will always try to see how much they can get away with for its own sake. Then of course feign victim when they push to far. At the end of the day I just dont want my screen filled with Ps and Ds.

[WursWaldo]

The problems will start once someone uploads a mod here that requires the Sexout or Sexlab frame work. Those are the flagships of LL and almost all mods there depend on them. Both of those frameworks contain bestiality and violent rape content. If a downloader installs one of those frameworks they get the content whether they want it or not. That means mods based on the Sexout or Sexlab framework uploaded here will have that content referenced. Since bestiality and violent rape mods are forbidden here that will be a problem. Not only that, but those mods could violate UK law and that poses a problem for Dark0ne since Nexus is hosted there.

 

I regret bringing the LL age gate to everyone's attention now. I though Dark0ne would go the other way and not lift the banlist for the reasons I just mentioned. :unsure:

Edited January 14, 2016 by WursWaldo

[Zaldir]

We already allowed mods that were based/relied on mods hosted on LL, so long as the mod hosted here did not violate any UK laws, so not much is going to change in regards to new files being uploaded that requires frameworks hosted on LL.

[Setekh79]

Disappointed, add it back please, and no, I'm not talking about this from a Nexus perspective.

[prinyo]

The problems will start once someone uploads a mod here that requires the Sexout or Sexlab frame work. Those are the flagships of LL and almost all mods there depend on them. Both of those frameworks contain bestiality and violent rape content. If a downloader installs one of those frameworks they get the content whether they want it or not. That means mods based on the Sexout or Sexlab framework uploaded here will have that content referenced.

 

 

Have you actually used SexLab??

 

There is no "bestiality and violent rape" imposed by it.

 

There is an MCM setting in order to enable the creature animations and it is off by default. And even if you just turn it on nothing will happen as SL does not actually initiate anything. It is just the underlying framework that enables mods to initiate interactions or sexual encounters. If you just install SL nothing will change in your game!

The same for the rape. There is no rape in SL or any other ways of initiating sex.

There is also no rape in the core SL mods, excluding the "combat rape". Choosing between killing somebody or raping them seems an odd moral dilemma :-)

(The whole drama with the rape mods is confusing for me. It is a barbaric war-torn world and the player is happy to go kill tens of other people just to get some trinket from a dungeon that some random person asked for but a rape is extremely disturbing...)

There are romantic and other consensual-sex mods and if you simply download and install only what you want you will never see anything disturbing in your game.

 

 

I'm really happy that this is over and will make it easier for people to mod their games by putting an end to the references like "you will need such and such mod for this to work, google it"... And all the confusion and complications such references introduced.

 

It is in-explainable for me the attitude that "there are mods there I don't like so the site is bad". Well, don't go to New Your or any other city in the world as there will be people there you will not like. If you are upset about something - do not go there. And do you know how much disturbing content can be found on (via) Google, do not ever use it?

All slavery/rape/animal forum threads and mods are clearly marked as such, so simply do not open/download/install them. This is valid for LL, Nexus or any other site on the Internet.

 

As a user of both sites I'm really happy this is over and I'm thankful to both of them for providing me with the resources for hundred of hours enjoyable play. :-)

Edited January 14, 2016 by prinyo

[Thallassa]

I'm really happy the loverslab is off the blacklist. One of the mods I really like from there is http://www.loverslab.com/files/file/1628-potion-replacer/ (100% safe for work if you have adblock, warning for pornographic ads if not) and I've even uploaded patches for that mod to this site. It was pretty annoying not being able to tell people where to get the mod even though I totally understood the reasons behind the blacklist.

I don't think we're going to see a sudden surge of sexlab-based mods from this. It wouldn't make any sense... the thing preventing sexlab mods from being uploaded here was not the inability to link or talk about loverslab. It was nexus rules, cultural differences between those mod makers and nexus, and where it made sense to upload and reach the users who want those kinds of mods.

The one thing to worry about is people starting to spam, say, sexlab defeat or sanguine debauchery (don't google those) in forum threads here, but I really don't think that's going to happen and even if it does you have the right to not click on those links!

[prinyo]

Hmmm. I posted here the address of a popular site that provides quite controversial mods and it was not filtered. It is somewhat strange..

In theory the loli/shota mods are not illegal, but I would think they are way more disturbing than any of the mods on LL.

Edited January 14, 2016 by prinyo

[WursWaldo]

Have you actually used SexLab??

Yes, I have. That is why I know what I'm talking about. When Sexlab is installed you get rape and bestiality with the default install. The files and the mechanics to implement them come with the framework. You don't have a choice. It is true those aspects must be enabled in MCM and that wasn't what I was talking about. What I said was that content gets installed with the rest of the framework, regardless. There are animation filters in the MCM to disable/enable rape. That means the animations and the esm scripting are already there. If you install Sexlab, you're installing a mod that has rape in it. That is a fact. The same is true with bestiality.

 

Not that any of this matters now. Dark0ne made a decision (a bad one imo) and now he and he alone will bear responsibility for what happens to him and his forum. Washing my hands of this. *done*

[prinyo]

 

Have you actually used SexLab??

Yes, I have. That is why I know what I'm talking about. When Sexlab is installed you get rape and bestiality with the default install. The files and the mechanics to implement them come with the framework. You don't have a choice. It is true those aspects must be enabled in MCM and that wasn't what I was talking about. What I said was that content gets installed with the rest of the framework, regardless. There are animation filters in the MCM to disable/enable rape. That means the animations and the esm scripting are already there. If you install Sexlab, you're installing a mod that has rape in it. That is a fact. The same is true with bestiality.

 

Not that any of this matters now. Dark0ne made a decision (a bad one imo) and now he and he alone will bear responsibility for what happens to him and his forum. Washing my hands of this. *done*

 

 

 

You can not really get "rape" by simply installing SL :-)

But I can see how the rift in the modding community is been kept by misconceptions and scary empty big words.

 

You get a framework that gives you a possibility to play animations based on different tags. One of those tags is aggressive and there is an option to filter them out. However aggressive animations can be used not only in rape.

SL simply provides the way to have sex. Is it consensual, is it rape, is it prostitution, is it hazing... it all depends on the context. It is the job of the mods that call the SL functions to provide this context.

For example SLEN gives you the possibility to develop your relationships with the NPC's. It is quite possible they will reject you and there is no way you can force it. SLEN, SL Solutions and others give you the option the offer sex in exchange for things. And so on. It is up to the mods you install what kind of sex there will be in the game.

 

As an example, by installing the Steam client on your PC you are not forced to install Skyrim or any other specific game. It gives you the possibility to install them, but none of those games are forced on you.

 

Added:

 

You say "Not that any of this matters now. "

Of course it matters. Addressing fearmongering and shady propaganda tactics is always important. The biggest problem and source of complications in our world is miss-communication.

The end of the silent war between the two major sources of mods is a win for the users and a win for the modders. Any attempt to sabotage that with empty populist posts matters.

Edited January 14, 2016 by prinyo