bben46 Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 ALL of our bans are public. And include the specific reason for the ban - here: http://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/forum/188-forum-rules-and-warnings/Do you know any other site that does this? I don't know if LL does or not.For some interesting reading - check out the ban report of some of those people ranting about how they were treated unfairly here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthmoor Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Arthmoor is right; the ball is in their court and I am sensing some animosity on their side and unwillingness to meet the Nexus half-way but seriously can you blame them?Like others, I don't believe that thread you refer to is representative of the site as a whole, and as I now see, the moderators don't either which is why they locked it. I've spent time reading parts of it and can pretty much tell you that every single person who vented there about being banned "unfairly" actually had it coming and likely should have been banned sooner than they were. Some of those people are just plain vile and probably ought to be banned on LL too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimboUK Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 I've been part of this community since 2006 and in all that time it was only recently that I started hearing of people that are hurt and disgruntled at some of the Nexus' actions. Most might be false granted, but the sheer volume of people complaining can't simply be a fluke. What have you experienced or seen that suggests the level of unfairness some complain of? the bans and warnings are public here for everyone to see, have a look through them and I bet you'll struggle to find evidence of what people complain about. What you'll find are pirates, spammers, content thieves, the chronically self entitled, those who abuse authors, those who set out to make things unpleasant for other people and those with the social skills of a baboon, do we really want these kinds of people in the community? The Nexus provides an environment where decent civilised people can express themselves, share their creations and enjoy their hobby without halfwits spoiling everything, start turning a blind eye to the type of people currently shown the door and it won't be long before the place is as poisonous as YouTube. Well for one on LL there's an entire thread on General Discussion of pages and pages of people who feel they have been treated unfairly not to mention the entire population almost of LL as a whole. Don't you think that's just a little odd to you? One or two people okay that's just something twisting in the wind but hundreds of pages of disgruntled banned members? Some of which have stated they were banned simply out of spite? I don't want to quote any names but just look at the General Discussion thread and you'll see what I mean. There are a lot of hurt people over there. Of course we don't want malcontents at the Nexus but ....all of them are malcontents? What about the one who created the Skyrim Romance Mod? She openly tried to apologize on many different occasions for attempting to make a Kickstarter; she was ignored and IP banned. That is what you call a civilized community? Look I don't want to come off as someone accusing the Nexus of being abusive. If I did I'm sorry. I'm only trying to find a sense of peace between both communities. Arthmoor is right; the ball is in their court and I am sensing some animosity on their side and unwillingness to meet the Nexus half-way but seriously can you blame them? I asked about your experience for a reason, it's the only thing you should judge this site on, not the rantings of those who signed up here and didn't think the rules applied to them. I'm well of aware of that thread on LL, it's a train wreck full of drama queens, liars and the self entitled, just look at the posts in it, people are spending more time attacking each other than the Nexus, that gives an idea of the sort of people posting there, it got so bad that it's now been locked. I personally like LL but that thread was a blemish on a site that is otherwise well run and quite pleasant, it's good to see it finally ended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aeonthraen Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 (edited) Last time I viewed that thread (or one similar) on LL a couple of years back it was just the worst of the worst of the banned members from the Nexus riling up all the others in to a laughably silly rage storm, using (mostly) lies, horrible slander, false statistics and amusing prophecies of the Nexus's downfall to pat each other on the back for having the foresight to get banned from the Nexus before the Nexus closed its doors. Like rats leaving a sinking ship, despite the fact it wasn't sinking at all. Any members who tried to shine some logic and reason in to the thread were quickly shot down. I just rolled my eyes and moved on. We're aware of what's written there. I get messages about it from time to time, but I don't bother to click the links that get sent to me. I seriously don't care to read the sort of mindless crap I've read there before on this topic. I don't doubt that some banned members actually have a good reason to be disgruntled. We've always said we're not perfect and we do get it wrong from time to time. Hence why we have an unbanning system and I've overturned lots of bans personally myself from personal communication from the wronged/misunderstood person. Normally I do a quick Google Search to see what they've been saying elsewhere before I think about it; if it turns out they've been lying about why they were banned and riling up hatred elsewhere, nah, they can stay out. That happens a lot. I'm not expecting someone to sing the Nexus's praises if they get banned from here, but if you're going to talk about why you were banned, be honest about it. And that includes the classic "lying through omission", which typically happens the most. Leaving out pertinent details which explain the ban because it shines the person in a bad light. Like the age old "I got banned for uploading a picture with one nipple in it!!!", and forgetting to add they were personally warned not to do it already. Some of the people who are the most prolific and most outspoken Nexus haters on LL are also the biggest liars about why they were banned and fail to mention the amount of times they were warned to chill the hell out and stop being dicks. Their actions and the horrible things they've said since only help to vindicate the decision to ban them in the first place. But once again, this topic is digressing in to an "us and them" thread again. Anything written above has absolutely no bearing on why LL is blocked on the Nexus at the moment. It's simply, once again, the porn ads and no age gateway being used on obviously 18+ content. Frankly, I'm glad there's somewhere for banned members from the Nexus to go and vent. Saves us having to deal with them trying to make multiple profiles to get back on the site and argue about their ban, and keeps the ranting away from us. I'm just sorry the LL people have to deal with it.You all have relevant points of course and I accept them; yes there is a gross amount of toxicity from LL that needs to be addressed but also a lot of good talent there that is sadly not here at the Nexus anymore. I'm not trying to raise everybody's emotions or sore feelings toward being antagonistic, I just don't like to see a community so divided. Fallout 4 is on the horizon and the combined efforts of the Nexus and LL could make mods that would make corporate execs think twice before falling back to the Paid Mod system which I am dreading will make a come back. I'm just trying to keep my hopes up. Lately I've been...a little disappointed in the relevance of certain mods made on this site while LL is sporting stuff that people like. Almost every week the Skyrim Nexus is practically inundated with, "Cute Follower Mod #2349201283489," or ENBs. Its getting depressing and I always wondered, "what happened to the magnificent works of Earache, Kendo and Puce Moose?" Most of them got banned :sad: (for the exception of Puce Moose; he recently uploaded something and I always enjoyed his work). These characters brought light to a vanilla game that was largely, "meh that's okay," and made it, "WOW!! That's awesome." It just feels like our most dedicated talent just....isn't here anymore. Y>Y Edited September 8, 2015 by aeonthraen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aeonthraen Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 I've been part of this community since 2006 and in all that time it was only recently that I started hearing of people that are hurt and disgruntled at some of the Nexus' actions. Most might be false granted, but the sheer volume of people complaining can't simply be a fluke. What have you experienced or seen that suggests the level of unfairness some complain of? the bans and warnings are public here for everyone to see, have a look through them and I bet you'll struggle to find evidence of what people complain about. What you'll find are pirates, spammers, content thieves, the chronically self entitled, those who abuse authors, those who set out to make things unpleasant for other people and those with the social skills of a baboon, do we really want these kinds of people in the community? The Nexus provides an environment where decent civilised people can express themselves, share their creations and enjoy their hobby without halfwits spoiling everything, start turning a blind eye to the type of people currently shown the door and it won't be long before the place is as poisonous as YouTube. Well for one on LL there's an entire thread on General Discussion of pages and pages of people who feel they have been treated unfairly not to mention the entire population almost of LL as a whole. Don't you think that's just a little odd to you? One or two people okay that's just something twisting in the wind but hundreds of pages of disgruntled banned members? Some of which have stated they were banned simply out of spite? I don't want to quote any names but just look at the General Discussion thread and you'll see what I mean. There are a lot of hurt people over there. Of course we don't want malcontents at the Nexus but ....all of them are malcontents? What about the one who created the Skyrim Romance Mod? She openly tried to apologize on many different occasions for attempting to make a Kickstarter; she was ignored and IP banned. That is what you call a civilized community? Look I don't want to come off as someone accusing the Nexus of being abusive. If I did I'm sorry. I'm only trying to find a sense of peace between both communities. Arthmoor is right; the ball is in their court and I am sensing some animosity on their side and unwillingness to meet the Nexus half-way but seriously can you blame them? I asked about your experience for a reason, it's the only thing you should judge this site on, not the rantings of those who signed up here and didn't think the rules applied to them. I'm well of aware of that thread on LL, it's a train wreck full of drama queens, liars and the self entitled, just look at the posts in it, people are spending more time attacking each other than the Nexus, that gives an idea of the sort of people posting there, it got so bad that it's now been locked. I personally like LL but that thread was a blemish on a site that is otherwise well run and quite pleasant, it's good to see it finally ended. Very relevant and understood because I agree; I'm glad that thread got locked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aeonthraen Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Arthmoor is right; the ball is in their court and I am sensing some animosity on their side and unwillingness to meet the Nexus half-way but seriously can you blame them?Like others, I don't believe that thread you refer to is representative of the site as a whole, and as I now see, the moderators don't either which is why they locked it. I've spent time reading parts of it and can pretty much tell you that every single person who vented there about being banned "unfairly" actually had it coming and likely should have been banned sooner than they were. Some of those people are just plain vile and probably ought to be banned on LL too. Granted and that's very true. Sadly we have to remember a quote from Skyrim, "a few bad apples spoil the bunch." Not all those people are bad and I'm sorry for playing devils advocate but some of the others as well. There's some real talent over there that it just pains me to see so divided. I'm reminded of that song by Bebo Valde's & Federico Britos, "We Could Make Such Beautiful Music Together." Reminds me of this particular problem in that if the Nexus and LL worked together the possibilities would be incredible. But I'm beating a dead horse at this rate; It's all up to them now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bben46 Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 LL has their niche and Nexus theirs. Sure there is overlap. But each will have mods the other doesn't. Nexus never intended to be the only mod site on the internet. Not every user will like Nexus, and not every user will like LL. There is room for both on the internet. :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aeonthraen Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 LL has their niche and Nexus theirs. Sure there is overlap. But each will have mods the other doesn't. Nexus never intended to be the only mod site on the internet. Not every user will like Nexus, and not every user will like LL. There is room for both on the internet. :thumbsup:I know...i just feel a little sad to see so much animosity between both worlds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thandal Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 No animosity here. Just a deliberate decision to ignore. :geek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aeonthraen Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 No animosity here. Just a deliberate decision to ignore. :geek:Lol...can't argue with that :laugh: . As Albert Einstein said, "Weak people revenge, strong people forgive, intelligent people ignore." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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