Where are we at with the redesign?

[MrVulcanator]

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fo3guy66 wrote: Here's a thought; if you plan to redesign the UI, make some basic concepts and put it up to a vote. That way you won't end up with something 99% of users don't like.

They have a focus group.

[Blitz54]

As long as it keeps the darker grey colour, I'm sure you guys can make it nice. Please, just PLEASE don't follow the recent trend of white flat/metro designs. Thanks for the post Paul! Didn't read it all (sorry) but glad to see you're excited about this all.

[Waterstar]

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Blitz54 wrote: As long as it keeps the darker grey colour, I'm sure you guys can make it nice. Please, just PLEASE don't follow the recent trend of white flat/metro designs. Thanks for the post Paul! Didn't read it all (sorry) but glad to see you're excited about this all.

Yes, this. The flat whiteness hurts my eyes >.<

[95f890be]

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Arethiel wrote: If it ain't broke, better mess with it.

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Dark0ne wrote: That sort of thinking is what ensured we moved past the Bronze age/Silver age/Iron age/Dark age/Insert other age of man here.

The point isn't to fix, the point is to innovate and improve with modern times, technology and needs.

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Arethiel wrote: There's nothing that needs to be changed about the site to meet "modern needs" though. Maybe a couple things here and there but an entire site redesign is unwarranted. On top of that, people who have been around awhile may in fact have more difficulty navigating a new site thus frustrating them if the redesign is as "modern" as Windows 8 was.

Now maybe the back end of the site needs a redesign due to poor coding or coding that simply was designed with fewer users in mind, but I wouldn't say that it needs to be modernized, probably just fixed (though since I can't see the back end code it's a lot of speculation). I mean, hell, look at C++, that language is old as dirt but it's still the backbone of a lot of back end math engines and is still used quite a bit in the business field. I mean, COBOL is still used by Scott and White Hospital where I live and that came out in the 60s.

With all that said, as a professional programmer and amateur web admin I simply don't see the need here to mess with the user interface since code optimizations can generally be done without affecting the UI or the user at all, other then maybe faster site load times, or functions working more consistently.

Edit: It is also entirely possible I'll change my mind once we see the new site.

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DrUlreich wrote: ^this
My greatest fear is thet they make it all white with the 'flat'' design-trend you see nowadays.
Nexusmods' ui is already so cozy

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reportagain wrote: it is kinda broke though, if you do a quick search you will see how many f*#@ing glitches and bugs there are by doing certain things. especially after/before loging in.

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Linebarrel33 wrote: "That sort of thinking is what ensured we moved past the Bronze age/Silver age/Iron age/Dark age/Insert other age of man here."

No offense of course but that's such a faulty/irrelevant comparison :/ He's just worried that the redesign will ultimately be unintuitive and/or more hampering than what the site is now when it ultimately works already at the end of the day.

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BlindJudge wrote: The thing is, we are a little broken... Did you know that this site was originally coded to fit a 1024x768 screen which back in the day was fine, but with over 90% of our users now using at least a 1680px width screen we look very dated with our content as a strip in the middle of the screen.

Did you know that Google now adds weight to sites that are mobile optimised with their latest search algorithm release?

Did you know that some of the biggest responses we got on the surveys was that the site doesn't scale, or that we don't use tags very well to find content, that search is under-utilised and broken? We can address all of these and so much more with new web innovations, optimised code and some love and affection put towards a responsive design.

The survey results, our analytics and our users tell us a lot...

We are and will continue to try our hardest to provide you with a site that will help you find the mods that you are after, be they huge campaigns or little graphical tweaks, additional missions or a complete overhaul.

We are working to the ethos of: intuitive, functional, visual.

The site will be a long time in development, this is not an overnight project and will be released alongside the current site to enable people to report anything they find and get used to it. I have every faith in our team and users to help us achieve all our goals.

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morpheas768 wrote: @Dark0ne:
Yes, because advancing through entire civilizations and technologies = the same as a web-redesign of a site. /sarcasm
This little phrase of the Ages can be used to justify any sort of change, be it small or massive.

But in any case, this analogy of yours is very very poor. Mostly because the "innovations" that you are implying are not true innovations, its things that have already been done by other websites, and the technology that you mentioned is already tried and tested.

Also, the Dark Ages were horrible times that humanity wishes it never happened since it brought us back in the past, for a while, it did not move us forward.

P.S. Not trying to bash on you guys, its just that this analogy is very poor indeed.

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Halleytes3 wrote: The site as it is now is pretty ugly. There's a lot of unused space, it's slow to navigate (it could be a lot better), changing pages is glitching, whenever I load the next page it doesn't scroll me back up, the menus are ugly, the font family is bad, a Calibri or a Helvetica, or a Gibson or Lucida Sans would be a lot nicer. Anyway, this Trebuchet MS has to be changed. The navbar is outdated too, and I think that the space could be used a lot more efficiently. And to finish it, the website is heavy. A lot. I don't know if it's the server-side's fault, but I think it needs better writing anyway.
And as he said, renovate to meet modern times it's not the looks only, but the structure as well. WebDesign has evolved, HTML5 and CSS3 is here and it's always improving, JavaScript is a lot more powerful too. The new tools are here but aren't being used. Why is that important? Cause it can make everything faster and prettier. So yes, I does need a complete redesign.
Regarding Windows 8. The problem never was that it's hard to use, but that it was different. Elder people who never used any of system for a long time always found Win8+ easier to use. It seemed "hard" to old win7 users cause they pretty much lived in that, and then they got something different.

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Dark0ne wrote: The analogy was simply making the point that if we just remained content with the status quo and how things were, without evening thinking to improve, we'd be no where. It wasn't particularly hard, though I have enjoyed the pedantic responses to a simple analogy.

> but with over 90% of our users now using at least a 1680px width screen

Are you saying you're tracking us?
Javascript is evil.

[Halleytes3]

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Arethiel wrote: If it ain't broke, better mess with it.

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Dark0ne wrote: That sort of thinking is what ensured we moved past the Bronze age/Silver age/Iron age/Dark age/Insert other age of man here.

The point isn't to fix, the point is to innovate and improve with modern times, technology and needs.

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Arethiel wrote: There's nothing that needs to be changed about the site to meet "modern needs" though. Maybe a couple things here and there but an entire site redesign is unwarranted. On top of that, people who have been around awhile may in fact have more difficulty navigating a new site thus frustrating them if the redesign is as "modern" as Windows 8 was.

Now maybe the back end of the site needs a redesign due to poor coding or coding that simply was designed with fewer users in mind, but I wouldn't say that it needs to be modernized, probably just fixed (though since I can't see the back end code it's a lot of speculation). I mean, hell, look at C++, that language is old as dirt but it's still the backbone of a lot of back end math engines and is still used quite a bit in the business field. I mean, COBOL is still used by Scott and White Hospital where I live and that came out in the 60s.

With all that said, as a professional programmer and amateur web admin I simply don't see the need here to mess with the user interface since code optimizations can generally be done without affecting the UI or the user at all, other then maybe faster site load times, or functions working more consistently.

Edit: It is also entirely possible I'll change my mind once we see the new site.

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DrUlreich wrote: ^this
My greatest fear is thet they make it all white with the 'flat'' design-trend you see nowadays.
Nexusmods' ui is already so cozy

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reportagain wrote: it is kinda broke though, if you do a quick search you will see how many f*#@ing glitches and bugs there are by doing certain things. especially after/before loging in.

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Linebarrel33 wrote: "That sort of thinking is what ensured we moved past the Bronze age/Silver age/Iron age/Dark age/Insert other age of man here."

No offense of course but that's such a faulty/irrelevant comparison :/ He's just worried that the redesign will ultimately be unintuitive and/or more hampering than what the site is now when it ultimately works already at the end of the day.

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BlindJudge wrote: The thing is, we are a little broken... Did you know that this site was originally coded to fit a 1024x768 screen which back in the day was fine, but with over 90% of our users now using at least a 1680px width screen we look very dated with our content as a strip in the middle of the screen.

Did you know that Google now adds weight to sites that are mobile optimised with their latest search algorithm release?

Did you know that some of the biggest responses we got on the surveys was that the site doesn't scale, or that we don't use tags very well to find content, that search is under-utilised and broken? We can address all of these and so much more with new web innovations, optimised code and some love and affection put towards a responsive design.

The survey results, our analytics and our users tell us a lot...

We are and will continue to try our hardest to provide you with a site that will help you find the mods that you are after, be they huge campaigns or little graphical tweaks, additional missions or a complete overhaul.

We are working to the ethos of: intuitive, functional, visual.

The site will be a long time in development, this is not an overnight project and will be released alongside the current site to enable people to report anything they find and get used to it. I have every faith in our team and users to help us achieve all our goals.

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morpheas768 wrote: @Dark0ne:
Yes, because advancing through entire civilizations and technologies = the same as a web-redesign of a site. /sarcasm
This little phrase of the Ages can be used to justify any sort of change, be it small or massive.

But in any case, this analogy of yours is very very poor. Mostly because the "innovations" that you are implying are not true innovations, its things that have already been done by other websites, and the technology that you mentioned is already tried and tested.

Also, the Dark Ages were horrible times that humanity wishes it never happened since it brought us back in the past, for a while, it did not move us forward.

P.S. Not trying to bash on you guys, its just that this analogy is very poor indeed.

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Halleytes3 wrote: The site as it is now is pretty ugly. There's a lot of unused space, it's slow to navigate (it could be a lot better), changing pages is glitching, whenever I load the next page it doesn't scroll me back up, the menus are ugly, the font family is bad, a Calibri or a Helvetica, or a Gibson or Lucida Sans would be a lot nicer. Anyway, this Trebuchet MS has to be changed. The navbar is outdated too, and I think that the space could be used a lot more efficiently. And to finish it, the website is heavy. A lot. I don't know if it's the server-side's fault, but I think it needs better writing anyway.
And as he said, renovate to meet modern times it's not the looks only, but the structure as well. WebDesign has evolved, HTML5 and CSS3 is here and it's always improving, JavaScript is a lot more powerful too. The new tools are here but aren't being used. Why is that important? Cause it can make everything faster and prettier. So yes, I does need a complete redesign.
Regarding Windows 8. The problem never was that it's hard to use, but that it was different. Elder people who never used any of system for a long time always found Win8+ easier to use. It seemed "hard" to old win7 users cause they pretty much lived in that, and then they got something different.

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Dark0ne wrote: The analogy was simply making the point that if we just remained content with the status quo and how things were, without evening thinking to improve, we'd be no where. It wasn't particularly hard, though I have enjoyed the pedantic responses to a simple analogy.

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95f890be wrote: > but with over 90% of our users now using at least a 1680px width screen

Are you saying you're tracking us?
Javascript is evil.

Google analytics for example, mate. :PP

[Ellixy]

Once in a while changes are needed. So far, so good.

 

 

 

 

Edited November 1, 2015 by Ellixy

[BurtFreeman]

i come across few time in unmotivated post delete.

looking at the term of service, i think a regulation must be done by forum administrator/regulator, for offence and bad beaviour, instead of giving the ability at the modder to hiding even a constructive comment.

this is almost an improper use of the forum, and what it represent since the very first days of it appereance.

in other word, i do not see any motivation to collaborate posting, if my belive can be deleted without any reason.

so in the future redesign of the site you may want to keep in mind this report.

lot of reguards

[OzoneGames]

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fo3guy66 wrote: Here's a thought; if you plan to redesign the UI, make some basic concepts and put it up to a vote. That way you won't end up with something 99% of users don't like.

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MrVulcanator wrote: They have a focus group.

But if the focus group, or the reviewers of the focus group are biased as f*#@ due to already having something specific in mind, then it doesnt matter at all.

[Meihyr]

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fo3guy66 wrote: Here's a thought; if you plan to redesign the UI, make some basic concepts and put it up to a vote. That way you won't end up with something 99% of users don't like.

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MrVulcanator wrote: They have a focus group.

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OzoneGames wrote: But if the focus group, or the reviewers of the focus group are biased as f*#@ due to already having something specific in mind, then it doesnt matter at all.

@Ozone - You don't seem to understand the process of what goes on when you are designing something with a group. It doesn't matter if you or anyone else has a specific design in mind. There will be a few who will like parts of it and there will be those who don't like parts of it. You will need to work around that and also take on board their ideas. If people entered into this focus group thinking that their idea is going to be the one that will rule them - that's not what working in a group means. When it comes down to it, the designs need to match what the client (Nexus) is looking for, a site design for a modding community. And it's up to those who manage Nexus to decide which one they like out of the designs. Edited November 14, 2015 by JayCrane

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