Who are you voting for?

[HeyYou]

Well, as of today, it looks a LOT like it's going to be Trump Vs. Clinton...... Barring unforeseen circumstances, and the river don't rise.....

 

Talk about a scary proposition... I don't really want to vote for Trump, but I REALLY don't want to vote for Clinton....... Hobson's Choice?

[sunshinenbrick]

So for someone 'accross the pond', who identifies themselves more with the democratic parties values (generally), and even had the president (who does seem like one of the better ones, all things considered) come and give a plea for us to stick with them in an uncertain future, what is it that makes Trump a better option over Hillary? I watched Trump's speech on foreign policy the other day and it doesn't fill me with any kind of hope of it not getting very ugly...

 

Seriously though... what the hell is going on?? :laugh:

[HeyYou]

My major malfunction with the dems is their stance on "Gun Control". A topic on which I am fairly sure you and I won't see eye to eye on. :) They seem to be of the opinion that taking weapons away from law-abiding citizens will solve all the problems. Nothing could be further from the truth. They also seem to think that Arms manufacturers should be 'held accountable' for what folks do with their products, when NO other industry is held to such high standards. When is the last time GM was sued because a drunk driver killed a family? (never) It's this kind of idiocy that permeates their policies, and I want nothing to do with them.

 

And then there is the whole topic of using the restroom of the gender you identify with..... If you don't think that various and sundry perverts aren't going to use these new laws to expand their 'hunting grounds', you are delusional. There is no way on god's little green acre on want someone with a penis sharing a restroom with my granddaughter.

 

The dems seem to think they can make everyone happy, and 'safer' by passing more laws. Sorry to disappoint guys, but, the fact of the matter is, Criminals, by their very definition, do NOT obey those laws. Disarm the law-abiding, and only the criminals will have guns. Gun Free zones are merely target-rich environments for mass-shooters, who know for a fact that there won't be anyone there with the ability to shoot back. Magazine size limitations, restrictions on semi-auto weapons, and some of the other lunacy they have in mind, will do absolutely nothing to make anyone safer. Washington D.C. has some of the severest gun laws on the books, yet, was still the murder capitol of the US for quite some time. Same with Chicago. Yet the dems insist their policies will work, even though it has been demonstrated time and time again, that they don't. Telling the same lie over and over again will never make it true.

 

Now, I will grant you, some of The Donald's policies are pretty far out in left field... (right field??) But, I am not so much voting FOR Donald, as I am voting AGAINST Hilary. Assuming she makes it that far. She still has a few minefields she is stomping thru, that she needs to survive...... We'll see what happens I guess. :D

[sunshinenbrick]

I am pretty much open to whatever works best for most people. If guns help keep people safe and free then I wouldn't suggest things be changed for the sake of changing them. But I do wonder if the American people trusted their government (and the rest of the world) more, would they be so skeptical about the idea reducing the prominance of weaponary in day to day society?

Maybe not, and if it is a constitution thing then 'OK', but there are other parts of the constitution that are being neglected and if addressed would possibly reduce the need for gun control to even be an issue. Things related to equal opportunities, socio-economic divisions, and the corruption in the allocation of resources and education are all things that contribute to the perceptions and situations in which civilians feel the need to resort to armed crime/vigilantism.

It's a very complex issue that I think in some ways has been engineered, or is simply a result of having an economy that has become so entrenched in defense investments accross the globe. It has gotten to the point where it seems like there's an ultimatum of 'you either use your guns to kill others in foreign lands for us, or we'll take them away and possibly use them against you!'

I wish the dialogue around these things would be a little more progressive and open the world over, as the 'politics' seems to get in the way of practical solutions sometimes. Perhaps to the benefit of politicians though as they won't be the ones in the trenches and are the people who are least bothered by such laws. Probably making money either side of it too.

[HeyYou]

The US government has demonstrated time and again, that they are NOT trustworthy, do NOT have the best interests of the majority of their citizens in mind when passing legislation, and are motivated more by who can pay them the most, then by what they should be doing for their constituents. I think this has only gotten worse in the last couple decades...... Not that I ever expect to see armed insurrection here.... Americans, by and large, are too lazy to put that much effort into bringing their government back in line...

[RGMage2]

The US government has demonstrated time and again, that they are NOT trustworthy, do NOT have the best interests of the majority of their citizens in mind when passing legislation, and are motivated more by who can pay them the most, then by what they should be doing for their constituents. I think this has only gotten worse in the last couple decades...... Not that I ever expect to see armed insurrection here.... Americans, by and large, are too lazy to put that much effort into bringing their government back in line...

You seem to be echoing a good chunk of Trump's platform. An elitist government owned by special interests and ignoring the will of the voters. So maybe not so much of a Hobson's choice for you. It seems to me that the very sentiments you express are what is pushing people to support Trump, to fix the mess it has become, and if he can't fix it then at the very least he can burn it down.

[Deleted54170User]

Before my belly realized it was fed, all these words exited from the path and sought that which they who need that which my stomach provides, did not realize I had just given it to them. WAR almost raised it's head. PEACE holds court now, and blissfully the food is being shared.

 

And the duo nature of all beings which exists in everything is also capable of not being trustworthy.

 

So it goes, "If anyone does not conform to their families way of life. Anyone who has become conscientious and knows another people's way of life, and see's there is a good part to it that could help their own family survive 'PEACEFULLY', and tries to incorporate it into the system often runs the risk of being cast out permanently from the group, because of the so called, "Schizom".

 

Those who were wise stopped learning, closed their minds, and went into the dark chambers of no land. They told Galileo to shut his mouth, recant his belief, and later downed the cup of humility to save their own old decrepit lives.

 

They were at fault because of their thinking they knew it all, and after being shown they were no longer all that wise, they soon bowed to the people who saw and learned the awakening, because their followers left them and followed the new knowledge.

 

North and South America would still be somewhere in a place far, far away; Columbus would never have found Cuba, and Americus Vespucci would never of ventured out of his diapers for fear he would shyte himself and need a spare diaper when away from his front porch.

 

Everyone would still fear "going too far out on the pond and maybe fall off the edge of the Earth".

 

The wise old elders gave in, because after studies proved it was obvious, no one of the holy ranks could disprove it.

 

I think they thought they were protecting the people from the knowledge they had survived a cataclysm when the planet expanded and may well do so again.

 

They chose to stop learning and become stagnate. They chose to stop anyone, civilian's, beneath their ranks mentally when the hypothesis was heard, "The Earth revolves around the Sun!"

 

If we the people of Earth continue slipping back into darkness it is the will of their leadership talking in whispers raising doubts and shouts raising fears within their own walls where their own wisdom may be adhering to the facts which they conclude from their own theoretical hypotheses.

 

They 'LIKELY' prey on the less fortunate and hope they don't have to share the markets wealth with all who can find the vendors offering up good health and a Disney World life.

[HeyYou]

Well, Cruz dropped out of the race. That pretty much leaves Trump as the republican candidate.....

[Deleted54170User]

And another candidate, I just read about for the first time, John Kasich is leaving the race. Leaving the red faced Pinochle head, leading as the Republican candidate.

[Ashenfire]

Socialism by a Federal body = evil.

Trump being allowed to run = horrible and sometimes comical.

Hillary allowed to run =evil A crook who has been caught red handed. She lost her license to practice law. No brainer. Find another candidate to replace her.

So we get Sanders? I agree with WursWaldo. on his views.

 

So we are told that we have choices because we can 'pick our poison'. Alot of this would stop if we just outlawed PAC and lobbyists. Our votes don't count because of them.

 

I used to tell a joke, "Whats worse than a communist, a dictator, a republican, a democrat, or a liberal? Every time it is a LOBBYIST working for self interest. They can

sneak into ANY camp and disrupt the process. I guess its not a joke anymore. Too much of it is real.

 

I used to love my country. Now I just 'like' it barely. No better place to be. So sad.