zanity Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 This thread reminds us of a recurring problem with current CONSOLE inspired titles. namely that the developer taikes away as many gaming options from the player, and IMPOSES a direction for no good programmatic reason whatsoever. "IT'S YOUR GAME" should be the theme of all current and future AAA titles, with as many options as possible exposed on advanced game option screens. This way the old arguments of 'enemy leveling' and 'enemy respawing' would completely VANISH as the game would allow the user to select exactly how such mechanisms would play out. But the BRAIN-DEAD concept of console 'achievements' killed the idea of user-selectable gameplay mechanisms. Dribblers semingly get off on something as utterly meaningless as a game 'trophy', so the devs have to insist all gamers are forced to experience the same gameplay, so MEANINGLESS achievements 'mean' something comparable in the console (and Steam) 'league' tables. There is NO right answer for the leveling mechanisms of enemies, or respawing. And a modern game runs with such CPU and RAM resources, it is a trivial programming task to give all players control over such mechanisms. We should be SCREAMING at devs that it is "OUR GAME", and that we should be allowed to play it how so ever we want- expecting any easy-to-code option to be present on the option screen. Arguments about which hard-coded options are more 'real' or 'true' to the game experience are just plain daft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boombro Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 That was the dumpiest thing I have read. It your game? Why don't just you buy the games that suits you more? Wanting a perfect fit of a game it is just demanding as hell, some games do have flaws but you just have to accept those flaws and adopt to them. ut the BRAIN-DEAD concept of console 'achievements' killed the idea of user-selectable gameplay mechanisms.So, where did you get that idea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raycheetah Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 I'd love to see an open-world, sandbox game with multiple starts. Modders have been making alternate-start mods for ages; why not three or even five different starts at different locations? Mebbe one could be the default Geralt of Suburbia, sworn by the script to locate his kidnapped son, but others could have radically-different origins, even coming from different vaults, if a "new-eyes" approach is desired. After all, you'll only be playing them one at a time, and I guarantee it would add replay value. The devs would need to create alternate paths to reach and interact with different factions, but the seeds are already planted, there, in the game. There's plenty of reason any of the factions would want to send you into the Institute, for example, or, for that matter, perhaps the Institute would even want to recruit you, directly, instead of being a mere quest objective. Multiple starts would also provide options for alternate play styles. If you wanted to actually play a low-Intelligence character, while it wouldn't fit the script for the default character, starting another path could be one of say two or three (out of five, let's say) that provide for dialog options and NPC responses which fit. Unfortunately, this would require more resources and work, and if Bethesda is married to the whole, voiced protagonist gimmick, it'll never happen, as the voice acting and direction would likely prove too costly. Still, we can dream... =^[.]^= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreenLion Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 If you collected/read some of the story stuff from the named Gunners it's not too far-fetched that they would be rather popular to a lot of people, especially Raiders. They took down the Minutemen, making them the new 'big dog' in the Commonwealth. Plus they get paid to do what Raiders do (mostly), and Raiders don't always make out that well. At least if the Gunners don't get much to loot, they get caps for the job. Some of the Raider's story points to that. Lots of in-fighting, trying to one-up each other, getting stiffed by the people not willing to pay 'protection money' after they realize they take it AND kill whoever they're supposed to be protecting. So the way I figure it, just like you get Settlers looking for a safe place, lots of folks are going to try joining up with the Gunners not only to keep from getting killed by them (or the other various crazies) but to be on what they think might be the 'winning team'. So they've got a steady flow of recruits from all over the place. People do crazy stuff to survive, getting on the Gunner's good side would seem like a pretty sweet deal compared to the rest of the options. :tongue: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadReplicant Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 The way people defend this game is astounding. It's as if they feel personally insulted if you question any one of it's design decisions. A handful of people seem to only be on this forum to talk in circles ignoring all points being made or making excuses for Bethesda. Any one who has a gripe with this game and makes a thread to vent or discuss no matter how civil they try to be, are blasted with insults by these morons. So to the OP discussing your grievances with this massive let down of game on this forum is now about as useful as being a critically minded guest on Fox & Friends. I now only check these forums for news on mods and every time I look I see the same people doing this same thing over and over again. Unless they work for Bethesda I'm sensing some psychological issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moraelin Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Even skipping over the delicious irony of seeing you complain about other people being insulting, in the same paragraph as you call whoever disagrees with your tastes a moron or not being critically minded... I dunno. I've also been known to take modding requests on the forum, or offer help with other issues. So have many others. If we're talking morons with nothing else to occupy your time than trolling the forum -- and "morons" is your term, not mine -- what have YOU done other than whining like Todd Howard and Emil Pagliarulo personally came over, pissed in your Cheerios, kicked your dog and personally forced you to play FO4? If you complain about other people coming back to offer their counterpoints, why are YOU here? You can check the mods even without checking every whine thread. I have made mods that address some of the grievances I agreed with in several games -- including stuff like not liking the paddle weapons in Skyrim, or not liking the lack of certain outfits in NV (especially non-dresses for women), etc -- so I know why I'm here. But if you think that checking whine threads is bad when I do it, why don't you take your own advice? Why are YOU here? If I click on your name, will I see even a batch file under uploaded files? If I go through your 74 posts, will I see even a single constructive solution to anyone's problems? I'm willing to bet actually money that I won't see anything but more butthurt whine. But even skipping over that, ok, I'm not paid by Beth to defend them or anything, but are YOU paid to post whine after whine after whine? Otherwise, why do you think those with a positive opinion have less of a right to it than you have to your negative ones? Entitlement delusions much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boombro Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 There are people who like fo4 and play since day one. It understandable why it doesn't appeal to many people, but thinking everyone is blind, dump etc to love the game is just childish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeesmies Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 What's wrong with gunner plaza? You don't have to go back there if the respwning enemies bother you. Pretend it's been cleared and move on. I'll happily keep killing the respawning enemies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warmaker01 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 What's wrong with gunner plaza? You don't have to go back there if the respwning enemies bother you. Pretend it's been cleared and move on. I'll happily keep killing the respawning enemies.Gunner's Plaza to me is a Shopping Center. But the currency I use is bullets to the Gunners' heads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raycheetah Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 What's wrong with gunner plaza? You don't have to go back there if the respwning enemies bother you. Pretend it's been cleared and move on. I'll happily keep killing the respawning enemies.Gunner's Plaza to me is a Shopping Center. But the currency I use is bullets to the Gunners' heads. So, really, you're just "capping" them. = =^[.]~= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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